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Everscale article moved to draft.

Hello dear moderators. I saw that Everscale article was moved to draft, the reason given was that the article had few authoritative sources, however on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources pages I see some of reliable sources which have publications/articles/news about Everscale. For example, Bloomberg, Insider, Kommersant, Forbes, Entrepreneur etc. You can read more about it on Draft_talk:Everscale page. Please help solve the issue. Sebirkhan 💪🏿💪🏾Sebirkhan💪🏿💪🏾|talk 20:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can move this advertisement back to main space if you want, but don't be surprised if it is then nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. Do you really think that being in the top two hundred blockchains is an indication of notability? Maybe being in the top two is. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you about other projects that are on wikipedia and have less citations and media coverage. But I know what you will say about Wikipedia not being an argument. On the other hand, it's weird. Sebirkhan (talk) 10:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you tell us about these other offending articles we can see that they get deleted, too. This would remove the oddity you mention.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, for example MazaCoin, Namecoin, Peercoin, Kin (cryptocurrency) and so on.

Also, lots of reliable sources writes about Everscale, for example CNBC:

• https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/tech/20220518174358-37-339960/ternyata-ada-konferensi-blockchain-terbesar-di-bali

Sebirkhan (talk) 07:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, can you solve this problem? Sebirkhan (talk) 07:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the "problem" can be solved then you are the best person to solve it. Just find some proper independent reliable sources following the advice given on your talk page, add them to the draft and submit it for review. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is CNBC independent reliable source? Sebirkhan (talk) 11:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article by CNBC

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/tech/20220705141521-37-353103/begini-cara-blockchain-tetap-berkembang-saat-market-down Sebirkhan (talk) 09:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's stop talking about Praxidicae's actions behind her back. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I stand by my draftification, it's complete non-notable crypto spam. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Desktop Improvements update

Making this the new default

Hello. I wanted to give you an update about the Desktop Improvements project, which the Wikimedia Foundation Web team has been working on for the past few years. Our work is almost finished! 🎉

We would love to see these improvements become the default for readers and editors across all wikis. In the coming weeks, we will begin conversations on more wikis, including yours. 🗓️ We will gladly read your suggestions!

The goals of the project are to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. The project consists of a series of feature improvements which make it easier to read and learn, navigate within the page, search, switch between languages, use article tabs and the user menu, and more. The improvements are already visible by default for readers and editors on more than 30 wikis, including Wikipedias in French, Portuguese, and Persian.

The changes apply to the Vector skin only, although it will always be possible to revert to the previous version on an individual basis. Monobook or Timeless users will not notice any changes.

The newest features

• Table of contents - our version is easier to reach, gain context of the page, and navigate throughout the page without needing to scroll. It is currently tested across our pilot wikis. It is also available for editors who have opted into the Vector 2022 skin.
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K-pop as genre in song/single template

According to the article, K-pop is a general term of all popular music, mainly Korean pop music. As the term has so many meanings, i think it's better to not use it as genre on every song/single template. How if we remove it from single templates? -GogoLion (talk) 04:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this would be clearer if you gave an example?

For example, are you saying that the singles by BTS, such as 2 Cool 4 Skool, should not be marked as K-pop? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WhatamIdoing Yes, if the single has pop track, then just put pop, don't put K-pop because K-pop has many meanings, it can be pop, hip-hop, new wave, R&B, or soul. -GogoLion (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why not put it in both? A song can be both pop and K-pop, right? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WhatamIdoing first, use ping so i can see you from notification. Second, did you understand what i mean? Pop and K-pop? That's not... Have you ever read the K-pop article? Did you know what is K-pop? -GogoLion (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GogoLion, K-pop is not any kind of popular music at all. Michael Jackson did popular music; Michael Jackson did not do K-pop. The term is not meaningless, and it is not redundant to "popular music". It is possible for a song to be both pop and K-pop. In such cases, we should (and do) name both of these genres. When a song is both disco-pop and K-pop, then we name both genres.

Editors use their best judgment to determine the number of genres to list for each song. Sometimes it's one; sometimes it's two; sometimes it's three; sometimes it's even zero. Sometimes the genre is narrow and specific; sometimes it's a broad, catch-all genre – the kind that someone might describe as "having so many meanings", like Classical music or Religious music. That's okay, too. Not every song fits into a tiny, hyper-specific category. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WhatamIdoing bestie... You want to compare pop and K-pop with Michael Jackson? There's a regional genre called "American pop" but people still don't use it because it can be folk, swing, jazz, and teen pop. K-pop is actually a market name, like Hollywood, but in music. It can be hip hop, R&B soul, etc... Go to the article, you will see "K-pop is 'a form of popular music' originating in South Korea as part of South Korean culture. It 'includes styles and genres from around the world', such as pop, hip hop, R&B, experimental, rock, jazz, gospel, reggae, electronic dance, folk, country, disco, and classical on top of its traditional Korean music roots"

GogoLion (talk) 02:06, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting question about edit counts

Most of us know that Steven Pruitt is the editor with the most edits, but which (legitimate, not spam or vandalism) IP user has the most edits? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 08:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It might have been the editor we called 64.40. The editor was on a dynamic IP (e.g., User talk:64.40.54.88 and Special:Contributions/64.40.54.88, but also dozens of others). Special:Search/prefix:User talk:64.40 turns up 276 pages, so if every IP was got a message (doubtful) and there were an average of 20 edits each (I've not made a systematic search), that would be more than 5000 edits. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Total of 13644 live and 529 deleted edits from ips in 64.40.0.0/16. 64.40.230.100 has the most live edits among them at 505. —Cryptic 19:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

24.143.224.15 has 47224 live edits. Still looking, as least through IPv4. —Cryptic 19:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, can't speak to legitimacy without looking at the actual edits, but the five individual ips with the most edits are 84.90.219.128 (52984), 208.81.184.4 (50079), 24.143.224.15 (47224), 50.26.172.216 (39563), and 204.153.84.10 (28507). Another 53 have 10000 or more, including - amazingly - two individual IPv6 addresses, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (15229) and 2001:569:70DD:7500:39EA:19D8:DF90:EF4D (10810). I'll run another query for IPv6s grouped by /64 subnet. —Cryptic 22:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

quarry:query/63562. The highest edit-count IPv6 /64 subnet is 240D:1A:4B5:2800::/64, at 76605. —Cryptic 23:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cryptic: Could you make a list like this but for IPs? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 12:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/70.29.210.242 also is relatively high. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 07:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photos of questionable authenticity

Several photos uploaded by contributor eatcha look questionable:

First, the first: File:Zaniskari Horse in Ladakh.jpg The location is wrong. If we look at the satellite photo, this location is at the top of a mountain, and therefore cannot correspond to a pasture. Moreover, this horse is probably a horse of Mongolian breed and not Zanskari. (https://stock.adobe.com/search?filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aaudio%5D=0&filters%5Binclude_stock_enterprise%5D=0&filters%5Bis_editorial%5D=0&filters%5Bfree_collection%5D=0&order=relevance&serie_id=105512052 Finally, this photo seems a bit too professional, a little too polished to be a simple holiday photo.

The same is true of several other photos uploaded by this same contributor. For example: File:Sunrise Chagar Tso Lake Ladakh.jpg This photo cannot be a photo of Chagar Tso Lake. Indeed, Lake Chagar Tso is surrounded by mountains, and a mineral landscape without vegetation. While in this photo, the relief is flat, without any mountains on the horizon, and looking closer, we see that the banks are covered with trees. Finally, here too, this photo seems a little too professional, a little too "slick" to be a simple holiday photo.

These doubts are reinforced by the fact that this contributor has already been caught red-handed (see his talk page). He once uploaded a photo found on the web, claiming it was of him, and giving a fake location. We can also see that he does not hesitate to modify the metadata to make them correspond...

I think these 2 photos are not the only ones to cast doubt on, but there are several others, in particular photos obviously taken in winter, of landscapes covered in snow and ice, and which he claims to have taken in July... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djampa (talk • contribs) 09:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Zaniskari Horse in Ladakh.jpg, File:Sunrise Chagar Tso Lake Ladakh.jpg. Schierbecker (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The horse photo is a Featured Picture. Link to the user talk page discussion? Schierbecker (talk) 10:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Domestic-pigeon.jpg, talk page discussion is at the top of commons:User_talk:Eatcha. In any case, Djampa, these concerns should be raised on Commons:Commons:Village pump, not here on Wikipedia. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How many unique missing articles on here which are on German Wikipedia?

Can somebody find out how many unique missing articles there on here which are on German Wikipedia? There's got to be a tool somewhere for that? Charles Matthews you're often good with wiki data?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should be possible with https://petscan.wmflabs.org. Always hard to deal with the interface, is all. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: OK, a kind of toy version in SPARQL: https://w.wiki/5Mcx . This should give 100K hits on people who have an article in deWP, no article in enWP. It ran for me in about 52 seconds, so a much larger version might time out. That starts off "instance of human". If you don't have any such restriction, then probably you're going to be doing 100x more dud searches and you won't get much. But with a few tricks it might be possible to get a count (from articles that are linked from Wikidata) with a caveat about false positives because items need to be merged. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You might like https://w.wiki/5Md5, which lists cities with deWP article, no enWP article: 109 hits. I mean, with restriction on the subject, this approach is useful and cheap. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages, which indicates that there are 355 Featured Articles/Exzellente Artikel at dewiki that do not have (known) enwiki equivalents. Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages/German shows the whole list (sort the "Articles in English" column to find the missing ones). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just learnt about this list and got to revert some (uneducated?) vandalism on Wikidata that wrongly tagged articles as FA, GA,... There needs to be some better safeguards imho. Maybe, restrict Wikidata tagging to admins and list every language FAs in a MW page. When a local admin adds/removes a page, a WD admin bot synchronises accordingly. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 14:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that Wikidata records use the same basic page-protection model as Wikipedia articles, with the result that it's all-or-nothing. You can't (or at least, you couldn't) restrict this little field to admins without preventing editors from editing anything else.

I believe that the usual approach to this type of problem is to have a bot watching for such edits, so that the bot can overwrite changes from the authorized/canonical source whenever anyone changes them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Blofeld: There's also my fave toolforge tool, "Not in the other language", which generates this list restricted to Featured articles. If you don't restrict the category, then the list is very long. If you just want the number of such articles, I would post your question at Wikipedia:Request a query. Looks like Charles has already written a few of these. Mathglot (talk) 01:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC) Updated by Mathglot (talk) 01:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks people. @Mathglot: this is good but is there anything which will give me the figure of how many articles there in total are without generating a massive list? Astounding that there's 355 featured articles which are yet to be started on here!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should have a page on here which has a big table of how many missing unique articles there are on each of the wikipedias and how many are featured or good etc. If a bot or something could be coded to generate a list every year or few years and update the figures I think it would be useful. Obviously we can't assume every missing article is notable, in many cases they won't be but something which keeps a note of it would be of use. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation English fundraising campaign

Dear community members,

I am reaching out to you all today to inform you on the upcoming Wikimedia Foundation English fundraising campaign in Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, United Kingdom, and the United States. The campaign will have two aspects:

• Emails will be sent to past donors from September to November
• Banners will be visible to non-logged in users of en.wikipedia.org from late November to the end of the year.

As part of the English campaign we test our infrastructure on a regular basis throughout the next few months. Currently I can share with you when we will be running banner tests in July.

In July we will be running short banner tests for a few hours on the 13th, 20th, and 27th of July. This means that you might see banners, if you are logged out of your Wikipedia account. I will be in touch again in early August to let you know about the next testing phase. I will also publish sample emails and banners closer to the time on our Fundraising Meta page.

Generally, before and during the campaign, you can contact us:

• On the talk page of the fundraising team
• If you need to report a bug or technical issue, please create a phabricator ticket
• If you see a donor on a talk page, VRT or social media having difficulties in donating, please refer them to donatewikimedia.org

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks you and regards,

Julia JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:03, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For context please also see '"Wikipedia's independence" or "Wikimedia's pile of dosh"?' in this month's Signpost. This reviews current WMF fundraising messages against the background of the Foundation's very favorable financial situation. Andreas JN466 22:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Making changes without getting the communities consent

Just once. I wish those who make techno changes to Wikipedia, would consult the community first. Now, we've got changes to how our 'section heading' & 'posts' are created on talkpages. GoodDay (talk) 17:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You didn’t see the notice?… it was clearly on display at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “beware the leopard”. How did you miss THAT? Blueboar (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Come off it, Mr. Day. You can't win, you know. You can't lie in front of the keyboard indefinitely. WaltCip-(talk) 16:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Think a Watchlist Notice pointing to the VP thread would be useful here? — xaosflux ^Talk 17:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The change was requested by the community, following the RFC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Enabling the New Topic Tool by default. Matma Rex talk 18:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps more to the point: @GoodDay and anyone else, if you don't like it, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion and turn it off. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but there has been ongoing community consultation on this at Wikipedia:Talk pages project going all the way back to Talk Pages Consultation 2019 (which was advertised on all the Village pumps: VPT, VPM, VPI, VPR, VPM, and VPP, as well as in The Signpost). More recently, the enabling of the latest tool was discussed on the Village Pumps here and here and was in the Tech News newsletter (which is also posted to VPT) here and here. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it was sarcastic at all. There are more than 100K registered editors editing this wiki just this month. It's too big for everyone to read everything, or even to remember all the things we've read. No matter what we do, every change will surprise some editors. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as I've grown used to it. I'll forego removing the change, via the preference route. GoodDay (talk) 13:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]