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Please stop moving valid articles to draft

Hello: I see you are using some kind of script ot move short artcles to draft. You have used the comment "undersourced" on three notable stubs I created in the past couple of hours. As it is a pain to move them back to article space, could you please check the articles more closely before moving to draft space? All three are notable per WP:ARTIST 4d, and every claim is sourced. More comments on my talk page. Also, please note that about five other new page reviewers have passed every single similar stub I wrote in the past few days, because they were all sourced properly and all notable. I'm going to revert any further moves to draft space, and assume it was a mistake. Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: (edit conflict) Actually, all the articles I moved were poorly sourced in that there might've been one source that wasn't somehow affiliated with the artist, with that.
On top of that, you seem to be creating several stubs somewhat quickly which is a red flag in my mind, not of lack of notability, but of an article creator not taking their time to flesh out an article properly.
I'll grant that this "red flag" might've created bias within me, something we all have, but it's a bias created from years of new page patrolling. In your defense, I've seen stubs created more quickly. They, however, tend to be "This species of [insect/animal/plant/etc.] exists and we know little else" or "Here is a stub about a [defunct railway station/recently paved road/sub-sub-sub tributary of a river/tiny tiny town of 1,000 people, etc.]*" kind of stubs, leaving little room for negative, unsourced information to cause actual damage. *I may have comedically yet mildly exaggerated within these brackets. *ba dum dish*
I will acknowledge that I probably draftify more often than others when it comes to companies or people; however, other new page patrollers probably have dealt with fewer people wanting to push through articles about their pet topic involving actual people through At All Costs.
Also, I doubt you would've appreciated cleanup tags being slapped on the stubs, which is an alternative. The pages look deleted because I suppressed the redirect per policy (this prevents a speedy deletion), but they aren't. This actually means I think the articles are valid; if the validity was bought into question, I've would've nominated for deletion instead, either speedy deletion or a deletion discussion instead.
So, anyway. There's my logic, broken up into paragraphs for easier reading.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 03:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC) (remove extra colon at 03:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC))
thanks for your cogent explanation, but I would ask you to stop doing it unless you can come up with a valid reason to move them to draft. Wanting me to spend more time on the articles is not a valid reason. You were also tagging them "undersourced", which is incorrect as they were all sourced. To be fair, this is a bit of a special situation as the notability criteria is met by 4d, but the sources are primary. Anyway, I am going to continue and I would appreciate you not moving further articles to draft unnecessarily. Articles like Loretta Hines Howard, created less than 24 hours ago, are meaningful and valid additions to the encyclopedia.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: I think the problem here is that we are interpretating "undersourced" in different ways. You (and perhaps other, less experienced NPPers) are interprating it in a very literal, and concrete way. Since we're dealing with biographical articles, I'm interprating "undersourced" to also include "not complying with this overly simplified guide to sourcing articles", which would include being sourced entirely/almost entirely with primary sources. That's actually a perfectly valid reason to draftify an article when dealing with an article about a person. Perhaps that message should use another word instead, or perhaps I am overly cautious about biographical articles.
However, since you are quite respectful and bring up a point about the articles having presumed notability, I am willing to stop.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC) (rephrased at 05:48, 9 April 2019 (UTC))
Yes I think these articles would be basicalky impossible to delete at AFD, as the first thing anyone would say is that they meet WP:ARTIST clearly. I appreciate your reasonable approach and willingness to work together on this. Thanks you and have a good evening.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: (edit conflict) I just wanted to say that draftifying an article actually should reflect well on its' validity, since one wouldn't want to waste the time of AfC reviewers. Like, at the absolute ideal, it would get past the point of getting a consensus of "I can see why it'd have to be improved, but it's not deletable" to "Speedy keep" at AfD, if that makes sense.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC) (fixed ping at 06:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC))

Please comment on Talk:Motion picture content rating system

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