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Politicians

Jake Dan-Azumi

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Fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olanrewaju Smart

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My rationale from the just concluded AfD still stands. The subject fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. While there is no source to verify the "Senior Special Assistant to the President on Intergovernmental Affairs" position, it also does not makes the subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. This was previously deleted on this ground and was undeleted and moved here again without any improvement. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - I think the political importance of some of these Federal public servant roles in Nigeria isn't grasped here. What we can note is that the appointment of Smart was a news story in itself in various national media, see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] this source gives indication of how these posts are politically sensitive and fought over. --Soman (talk) 12:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Farah Dualeh

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This is possibly a hoax. I've moved the discussion over from the hoax talk page to save time. This is my reasoning:

While attempting to WP:DEORPHAN the article on Ahmed Farah Dualeh, I noticed an inconsistency. The article states that he is the President of Jubaland, whereas Jubaland has Ahmed Madobe as the president in the infobox. The results of my research were: Google: I could not find any reliable sources to support the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, or even that he exists. Most sources are either clones of Wikipedia or social media accounts. JSTOR: Searching "Ahmed Farah Dualeh" in quotes had zero results. Searching "Ahmed Dualeh" in quotes had a six results. Some of the results are about Elmi Ahmed Dualeh, which I initially believed that "Elmi" was some sort of Somalian title, which I wasn't familar with. However, it is not, as the papers refer to Elmi Ahmed Duale. One result, Against All Odds: The History of Archaeological Research in Somaliland and Somalia, says The most remarkable of these students is Ahmed Dualeh Jama, who published his PhD on Mogadishu; so talks about a different person who has the same first and middle name. The article was created, with the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, over fourteen years ago.

However, after this discussion I would keep. Svampesky (talk) 18:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC), modified 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I have had to remove the URL as malware. There are no sources. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Special:Diff/1228531930, I'm assuming. Thank you for checking. When I tried it, I got a "Deceptive website warning" and didn't know if it was a false-positive or not. Svampesky (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Searching the Somali form of his name, Axmed Faarax Ducaale, does turn up a few hits that support his work with the Somali community in Denmark, notably this call-in segment on VOA Somali. 2018 visit to Garbahare (described as an expatriate), 2015 comments on Ethiopian intervention in Gedo (described as a politician), and a 2014 conference of intellectuals (described as speaking for the Sade community). There's also a 2013 news blog describes him as "Foreign President of the Jubbaland State Administration" (not WP:RS) and a link to a compromised URL that the search headline seems to be describing him as the "self-proclaimed president of Jubbaland." He's listed in this 2010 press release about a Somali community meeting in Denmark. There was also a 2011 talk group post calling for him to be declared president of Jubbaland; and here's a 2012 talk group post describing him as president.
    Overall, it seems likely that he is a real person and the article is largely accurate in describing his work in Denmark. The claim that he was/is president of Jubbaland is not supported (though it seems there is a group that, at least in 2011/2012, recognized him as president). It might be possible to cobble together enough sources to meet WP:N, but the statement about being president is definitely more aspirational than actual. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like he's also the subject of the 2017 Danish movie Præsidenten fra Nordvest, which would argue he could meet WP:N. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was unable to find the documentary available anywhere. The production company is listed on IMDb as Film & TV-Compagniet ApS, which translates to "Film & TV Company Ltd." I'm assuming (hoping) it's a does what it says on the tin company. I found their contact information here and I'll email them to request a free copy of the film for the purpose of editing Wikipedia. Before I do this, could anyone advise whether this might go against any Wikipedia policies, such as conflict of interest, primary sources, or original research? The documentary could provide valuable insights and guide where to look on further research for the article. Svampesky (talk) 16:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like the film is available to stream at Filmcentralen [7], which needs a subscription from a Danish educational institution, and Filmstriben [8], which only works if you have access to a library in Denmark. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have access to the film, and I've found lots of Danish sources about it. I have also boldly created Præsidenten fra Nordvest, per the clear growing consensus that the article on Dualeh will be kept. Svampesky (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pasting my comment from Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia here:

This isn't a hoax, but "Jubaland" is a bit misleading here. In ~2010, Somalia was embroiled in a certain civil war (it's still ongoing); much of the region of Jubaland was (and still is) occupied by al-Shabaab. One consequence of this is that a bunch of self-declared mini-states were established, many with competing claims and no de-facto control. This article from Somalia Report has more detail on the mini-states and mentions Dualeh as the president of a "Jubbaland (2)"; this other Somalia Report article contains an interview with Dualeh, who established his claim in January 2012 in the US. This claim obviously didn't go very far; other claims like Azania, which was initially supported by Kenya during its invasion of southern Somalia to oust al-Shabaab, had more success. There are other sources as well; for example, here's an interview with Dualeh in which he talks about being the "president of Jubaland" at around 1:20. He also appears in Danish media (where he's based), like Jyllands-Posten [9] [10] and this in-depth profile of him in POV International [11], and has an X profile [12].

The POV International profile mentions the Danish movie that Tcr25 found above. Malerisch (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's how a Danish newspaper interview/report describes his "presidency" when talking about the movie: "In 2012, Danish-Somali Ahmed Dualeh was elected by exiled Somalis as president of the regions Gedo, Middle Jubba and lower Jubba, which together make up Jubaland in the civil war-torn country of Somalia, and it is precisely this story that DR tells in the new documentary." (via Google Translate). —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and reworked that section of the article (and removed the infobox) to reflect what's in these sources. More work and sourcing on the rest of the piece is needed, but I would say keep while acknowledging the article needs improvement. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 15:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the sources found above. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request Per advice from my mentor Special:Diff/1228772919, I would like to withdraw the AfD, but Walsh90210's singular delete !vote is preventing me from doing so. It cites there are no sources, but sources have now been found. Would you be willing to review your !vote? I'm NOT asking you to change your !vote. If you still think the article should be deleted, that's fine. It's not the end of the world if the AfD runs for seven days. Svampesky (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ryan McCready

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Only claim to notability is serving one term as a local councillor in Derry. Fails WP:NPOL. Media coverage is mostly local and routine - for example, coverage that he changed parties or chose not to seek re-election. AusLondonder (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:politician as he was only a councillor and has no other claims to fame. — Iadmc♫talk  14:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Dancey

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Appears to be campaign advertising for a non-notable individual. Fails WP:NPOL. Nothing in his life or career up to now indicates notability. AusLondonder (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - in less than a month he will either be an MP or an also-ran, and the political notability will be entirely clear, so the timing of this AfD is puzzling. I've no view as yet on possible Olympic notability. Ingratis (talk) 07:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not puzzling at all. It's normal practice on Wikipedia to not create articles for candidates for political office with no other claim to notability. AusLondonder (talk) 16:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until after the election on 4 July, when it will be clear whether this person meets NPOL or not. There's no point at all in deleting the article and then immediately re-creating it. Common sense, surely... Ingratis (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Has notability due to his Olympic involvement. Also agree timing of this AfD is poor, as it is highly likely that he will also be an MP in 23 days which will establish the notability on the political aspect. ClevelandUpdates (talk) 11:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Being an "executive assistant to Lord Seb Coe, the chairman of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games" is not a free pass on notability. The one source regarding his involvement in the Olympics, a local newspaper, states "He was among the first 200 people who started organising the Games" - are all those people notable? We need significant, in-depth coverage of the role he played personally. Not seeing that at all. AusLondonder (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ossanda Liber

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I know it has only been two months since the last nomination but that ended as no consensus, which was not an endorsement of notability. There has been another nationwide election since then and this candidate is still getting under 0.5%. There are sources about her, yes, but they're mainly discussing her candidacies and are part of a WP:ROUTINE coverage expected in a democracy. Some other parties are mainly based around the founder, such as Vox and Chega, but those parties have hundreds of other office holders and the founders have their own individual notability as office holders and nationally recognisable figures. Apart from being an unsuccessful candidate, what can be said about Liber that isn't about her party? The page used to have information about education and children, which I removed as unsourced per BLP. I also removed the blow-by-blow of setting up a political party, as that's obviously more about the organisation than about her. But the thing is, would we ever need to know personal information about someone this notable? I saw the comment before that Liber is notable as a founder and leader of a political party, but in a democracy it's reasonably easy to set up a party, and extremely easy to be the leader of your own party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Liber's electoral history: 2021 Lisbon local election (0.36%), 2022 national election (voters in other European countries constituency) (0.08%), 2024 national election (Lisbon constituency) (0.18%), 2024 European election (0.18%). Not sure at which point someone becomes notable the hard way, like Bill Boaks. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagging all previous commenters: AusLondonder Moondragon21 PamD SportingFlyer BlakeIsHereStudios Prima.Vera.Paula Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page could potentially be merged into Nova Direita as it is considerably larger. 18:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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  • Delete We do not keep articles on failed political candidates for a variety of different reasons under WP:NOT, and she's not notable for being the leader of a very small political party either. It's not impossible she'll be notable in the future, but at the moment I think this is an easy delete. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Nova Direita - there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article, a slightly-longer description of her in the party's article is sufficient. Not impossible this would change in the future. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge to Nova Direita: That way the page info would be stored in the redirect's history and a portion of the content could be placed in a section in the Nova Direita article. Prima.Vera.Paula (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alireza Ghasemi Farzad

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I first saw this article when I was searching about the article containing a list of current Iran governors-general. I prefer the information of this article be transferred on the article that contains the list of governors in Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 (talk • contribs) 14:12, June 10, 2024 (UTC)

Hamed Ameli

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I first saw this article when I was searching about the article containing a list of current Iran governors-general. I prefer the information of this article be transferred on the article that contains the list of governors in Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 (talk • contribs) 14:09, June 10, 2024 (UTC)

Mojtaba Abdollahi

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I first saw this article when I was searching about the article containing a list of current Iran governors-general. I prefer the information of this article be transferred on the article that contains the list of governors in Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 (talk • contribs) 13:27, June 10, 2024 (UTC)

  • Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 June 10. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 13:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Iran. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reformatted to add the missing article name by Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Each governor is automatically notable, so there is no reason to delete the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed . Keep AlexBobCharles (talk) 18:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge. I suggest we merge it to the article containing a list of current Iran governors-general if not delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment you don’t need a deletion nomination to achieve a merge. In any case we have many other articles about Iranian governors, and saying you’d prefer a merge isn’t a deletion rationale. Mccapra (talk) 21:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know. That's why I suggest merge if not delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep No valid reason for deletion has been offered, and the subject passes GNG. Mccapra (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep: Applications of WP:SKCRIT#1 and #3. The nominator has failed to provide an accurate deletion rationale and has also failed to give intelligible grounds for content deletion. The subject itself passes the general notability guideline. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Clearly notable per WP:NPOL. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Luk

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The subject does not meet general notability requirements or the notability requirements for a politician. The only coverage of the subject is by local and obscure outlets who provide run-of-the-mill coverage of him as a candidate in local elections. thena (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Agree that subject lacks required notability for an article. Williehuggies (talk)
Williehuggies (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A bright cold day in april (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My bad for not providing Chinese translation in my first comment, I have placed the translated versions of the five Chinese sources below:
Translations
1.Wen Wei Po: In this UK general election, there are 9 British Chinese candidates running, including 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk, who was born in Hong Kong. Luk, who is running for Parliament for the first time, recounts his experience of racial discrimination during his studies, revealing that he was once told to "go back to China." He calls on the Chinese community to speak up more, to drive improvements in the government's policies and funding for the Chinese community, and even to influence the UK's foreign relations with East Asia.
Luk moved to Europe with his parents as a child, living in the Netherlands and Germany, before settling in the UK at the age of 10. Luk reveals that he had few Chinese friends growing up, and was even bullied for his race. "When I was studying in a boarding school, a group of people surrounded me and shouted 'go back to China.' I will never forget this experience." Luk later took up rowing, and won the national under-18 rowing championship in 2009, gradually regaining his confidence. He started getting involved in politics during university.
Johnson supports Luk in a video
After graduating, Luk worked in the UK government's Brexit department, later moving to the HR consulting firm Adecco. In recent years, the UK political arena has been severely polarized due to the Brexit controversy, which has motivated Luk to run for office. He reveals that some of his friends were surprised when they learned he was running, but he believes that as radical political views are gaining momentum, moderates need to step up.
During the 2016 Brexit referendum, Luk chose to remain in the EU, but this did not prevent him from being nominated to contest the Hampstead and Kilburn constituency in Greater London, challenging the Labour incumbent. Prime Minister Boris Johnson even filmed a promotional video openly supporting Luk.
Proud of Chinese culture
In the previous election, the Conservatives suffered a heavy defeat of over 15,000 votes in Hampstead and Kilburn, but in 2015 they lost by just over 1,100 votes. Although the Brexit Party has also fielded a candidate to challenge the seat, Luk said he is confident of winning, and called on Liberal Democrat supporters to switch to him to prevent a Labour victory under leader Keir Starmer.
As a ethnic minority candidate, Luk strongly criticized the Labour Party's ongoing anti-Semitism scandals. He also described some liberal demands to protect the rights of EU citizens as actually discriminating against non-EU immigrants, asking "Why not bring in Hong Kong nurses? My Auntie is one, and she is very excellent."
Luk described the current UK as full of uncertainties, and hopes that through participating in politics, he can add a calm and rational voice to the UK, and promote further integration of the British Chinese community into society. Luk pointed out that China has a rich culture and history from which the world can learn, and he is also proud of his Chinese identity.

2.The News Lens: This includes 32-year-old Johnny Luk, who contested the Hampstead and Kilburn constituency in the 2019 general election.

Luk's father is from Hong Kong and his mother is Taiwanese. He grew up living in various European countries like Poland and Germany before settling in the UK. After graduating from university with a degree in natural sciences, Luk worked in government in 2012 before joining the Conservative Party two years later. "The UK Chinese community is relatively quiet compared to the Chinese communities in Canada and Australia, and the people who guided me happened to be from the Conservative Party. They tried to encourage more East Asians to get involved in politics, which gradually drew me in."
As a former co-director of the Conservative Friends of the Chinese, Luk candidly acknowledged that in recent years, the Chinese community has faced a difficult situation due to anti-Chinese sentiment arising from COVID-19 and geopolitical tensions. However, this has not dampened the Chinese community's enthusiasm for political engagement. Luk explained that the Conservatives are adept at reaching out to the Chinese community and champion diversity, catering to groups from Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, rather than just representing mainland China. He added, "The Conservatives are very rational and organized, with a rigorous candidate selection process involving testing and interviews. In contrast, Labour often needs to obtain the support of trade unions, which explains why the Conservatives have more Chinese candidates." He particularly noted that Hong Kong people will become a significant voter base that cannot be ignored.
Despite his defeat in the 2019 election, Luk is already preparing for the next general election. "I understand that no matter what I do, I will be subject to media criticism, so I must have a thick skin and focus on my own affairs. I also used to work from 4 a.m., so I need to be clear about my capabilities and focus on shaking hands with voters and showing them I care. Lastly, I need to just enjoy the process and not be too rigid."

3.Phoenix Television: Johnny Luk, 25 years old, followed his parents to immigrate to the UK when he was 10 years old. After graduating from a university in the UK, he now works at a non-profit organization, helping university graduates in the UK realize their entrepreneurial dreams.

His personal experiences and professional experience have made him feel that the UK needs to be closely connected with a world power like China. He is very glad to see Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to the UK, believing that the timing is right.
Luk, a Hong Kong immigrant living in the UK, said: "I think this is a step in the right direction. The relationship has been getting closer and closer over the years, including in terms of economic partnership. For example, the UK Chancellor wants to increase UK exports to China from 25 billion to 30 billion pounds. And in terms of culture, there are more than 500,000 Chinese people in the UK, and more than 100,000 international students. We are training future leaders for China and the world. In the long run, I am very optimistic and things will only get better."
On the 21st, President Xi met with UK Prime Minister Cameron and witnessed the signing of a 40 billion pound cooperation agreement between the two countries. Johnny Luk, who has worked at the UK Government's Trade and Investment Office for three years, believes this will play an important role in the UK's future development.
Luk said that the perfect friendship is based on mutual respect, and good relations need to be maintained. The UK Prime Minister needs to visit China regularly, and Chinese state leaders such as the President should also come to the UK again. The UK also needs to catch up with some other countries, of course China has very close relations with its neighboring countries. From the trade indicators, Germany is stronger than the UK, and we still have room for development. It is very crucial to unleash the potential of the Chinese living in the UK.

4.BBC: "Seeing what is happening (in Hong Kong), I feel very sad," said 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk. Although China is sometimes controversial, the China-UK relationship is still much better than the relationship between Russia and the UK. "I hope I can build a bridge between China and the UK, and enhance mutual understanding," said the 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk.

Luk's father is from Hong Kong and his mother is from Taiwan. Probably due to his Chinese ethnic background, he is often asked about his attitude towards China. "I look Chinese, but I don't represent the country of China. I am British first. I'm proud of my ancestry, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of China's decisions."
5.Wen Wei Po: The 25-year-old Johnny Luk followed his parents to immigrate to the UK when he was 10 years old. Now, after graduating from university, he works at a non-profit organization, helping university graduates in the UK realize their entrepreneurial dreams. He expressed that he is very pleased to see the improvement in China-UK relations, and this will benefit the people of both countries. "I think this is a step in the right direction. The relationship has been getting closer and closer over the years, including in terms of economic partnership. For example, the UK Chancellor wants to increase UK exports to China from 25 billion pounds (about HK$2,993 billion) to 30 billion pounds (about HK$3,592 billion)."
In my opinion, even if the two English sources discussed below are excluded, these five sources already provided enough SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG and should be kept. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If he's elected in the general election next month, the article can be recreated but for the time being he doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG. As to the Camden New Journal and Islington Tribune articles mentioned by others, these seem to be cut-and-paste jobs from press releases put out by his campaign, which is sadly the norm in British local newspapers. I would argue that they do not constitute significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Lincolnite (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Lincolnite: Hi Lincolnite. I have also presented five Chinese sources which documented his life not related to the elections in SIGCOV. Please review the sources I have provided, and enlighten me why you find the notability is still not demonstrated from them. If you need help with the translations, please let me know as well. (Edit:I have provided translations above.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete - nothing he has done prior to or including his candidacy are notable enough to warrant an article. Half a dozen puff pieces on the same subject is not significant enough to meet the GNG significant coverage requirement. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is barely mentioned in the Chinese language articles, which are all about people running for office, and aren't even specifically on him. SportingFlyer T·C 01:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SportingFlyer: Hmm... Mind reading the two Wen Wei Po and the Phoenix Television articles again? Not sure how you came up with the conclusion that he was "barely mentioned" and was mentioned along with other candidates. Two of them aren't even related to elections at all (which were published in 2015). —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One Wen Wei Po article is about Xi Jinping visiting England, as is the Phoenix Television article. He's mentioned, but that's clearly not significant coverage of him - it looks like he was just interviewed for an article. The other Wen Wei Po article is simply about how he's running as a candidate, which falls afoul of our policies on political candidates (just passing GNG doesn't count since almost all candidates receive some coverage.) SportingFlyer T·C 05:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SportingFlyer: Thanks for reviewing the sources again. I respectfully beg to differ with the last part of your statement. NPOL (along with all NBLP) can be mutually exclusive from GNG. An article can pass GNG and be kept even if there are concerns about NPOL. I also want to note that I disagree with some of the delete !votes in this discussion that brought up stuffs like poll results, which have no bearing on notability. However, since multiple editors have found the Chinese sources to be run-of-the-mill, the consensus seems clear and I no longer have a strong rationale to argue that the subject person meets GNG. Therefore, I will retract my keep !vote and instead go for a Weak delete. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is true, but we consistently interpret NPOL and the GNG in such a way that people who are only notable for being political candidates are not notable unless their candidacy was notable in some way, because all candidates generally receive at least some coverage, but tend not to have lasting notability ("you can't make yourself notable.") If our subject were notable for other reasons, there'd be no reason not to keep the article. SportingFlyer T·C 15:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SportingFlyer: Yep, what you said is exactly true. That was the reason why I tried to present sources outside of his political career in the first place, such as his early life and him being representative for an NGO, to prove that he passes GNG and despite the election not taking place, NPOL should not be a concern. Anyway, glad that we made a consensus here. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - No evidence at all that it is a cut and paste article from press releases- indeed the examples cited are clearly interviews or written neutrally. Also note it makes no sense to delete an article just before a general election - this deletion request is clearly politically motivated. Editorman75 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This deletion request just before the UK elections appears to be politically motivated. The person in question is the conservative candidate for the Milton Keynes Central parliamentary constituency in the July 4th 2024 UK parliamentary election. Emailani (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - Website already suffers with half a dozen pages for people who do not need one, and given that polling suggests that he will be unlikely to win does not really add to this article's case. Agree with everything else stated so far. Tweedle (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete an article on an unelected political candidate which reads like a CV and who is not otherwise notable. If he wins, we can restore the article. SportingFlyer T·C 19:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep: The timing of this deletion request seems strange, just weeks before a General Election. His page was up all the way till now, when arguably he is more significant now than before. The only poll that matters is the actual election result, so this comment also does not add to the debate. Editorman75 (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.

He’s also a regular writer for world federation rowing, an Olympic sport: https://worldrowing.com/2023/05/10/the-irish-powerhouse-that-is-skibbereen-rowing-club/
  • I see absolutely no reason to move to delete this article, other than political motivation from rival candidates. This should be a factual and unbiased repository, regardless of potential election outcomes this is a person of note to be recorded. Editorman75 (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.

  • There are several people advocating to keep this article, so I should probably expand my comment - every single source in the article is about him being a candidate, which we do not consider notable under the GNG and NPOL - local or general does not matter. The sources presented here are either election related or written by him, or he's been interviewed, including the non-English sources, which I translated. If he gets elected, he'll be eligible for an article, and I don't know why this is up for deletion now, but it's probably just because someone noticed. But this is a classic "only a candidate" article. SportingFlyer T·C 01:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The first editor suggested he was a local candidate. This is not true, he is not a candidate for the local elections - but for the General Election in 2019 and 2024[1][2]. That should heighten his notability. This was also highlighted by PR Week[3], a major publication. He was also mentioned by a range of major papers introducing the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, including the Evening Standard[4]. In terms of other notability, he is clearly been a writer[5] for Al Jazeera, a major publication and the HuffPost[6]. RogueWanderer29 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Please see WP:NPOL. Simply being a candidate for office does not confer notability. The Evening Standard is routine campaign coverage, primarily about Rishi Sunak campaigning in Buckinghamshire, and only name-checks Luk right at the end: "He was introduced at the Q&A session by Johnny Luk, the Conservative candidate for Milton Keynes Central" - that is a long way from demonstrating notability. AusLondonder (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As above. The broadcast media is obliged to give equal coverage for all candidates in a constituency per British rules, and non-partisan local newspapers will also attempt this level of impartiality. Luk ran in a Labour fiefdom in 2019 and got under half the amount of votes of the winner. He's forecast to lose in 2024. [20] Also, Al Jazeera and HuffPost enlist thousands of bloggers and writers from all over the world, these people are not employees and their writings are not endorsed by the publications. More importantly, no third party is writing about Luk's notability as a writer for AJ and HP. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:SIGCOV in both UK and Chinese language sources. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for closing admin Please be aware both RogueWanderer29 and Editorman75 have been created 20 hours ago and made zero contributions other than at this AfD. Editorman75 has also attempted to !vote three times. AusLondonder (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Does this in any way diminish my valid opinion? You also state in your bio that you are strongly against people pushing their political agendas. I feel that in pushing for deletion of this article that exactly what ‘thena’ hopes to achieve Editorman75 (talk) 17:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article is just self-promotion. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for all these accounts saying this is politically motivated, there are completely germane reasons why this would be up for deletion now. There is higher attention on the page about the constituency if there is a new election for editors to write about. A page on someone of such a low profile would have passed by unnoticed until then. Also bear in mind that Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, having a Wikipedia article isn't like having a website or a Twitter account, it's hardly a medium that would benefit a political candidate and highly likely to do the reverse. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shahid Siddiqui (politician)

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Recreated after soft delete. Still no evidence of meeting WP:NPOL * Pppery * it has begun... 18:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Still nothing to establish notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep: Probably have enough for a basic article [21] and [22] are RS. What's used in the article now are primary sources. Oaktree b (talk) 19:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The first one doesn’t really counter towards GNG for me. The second one I can’t assess right now and I don’t know why. The first one just isn’t enough for me to reconsider my !vote. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those appear to be about a completely different person with the same name. SportingFlyer T·C 19:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NPOL. The degree of significance of the subject and of role as politician is not enough to warrant a page on the subject. RangersRus (talk) 14:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for failing WP:NPOL - the two articles mentioned above are about Shahid Siddiqui and not this person, the entire article is two sentences long, the three sources in the article are not great for notability, and there are two external links making this potentially promotional. SportingFlyer T·C 19:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Crofts

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. There is some coverage of his resignation as a councillor but nothing independent about his political or professional career. Reads like a CV. Orange sticker (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Hynds

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Does not pass WP:BASIC either. Subject never held any NPOL-passable office. Generally fails notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete His sole claim to notability appears to be as a local councillor, which fails WP:NPOL. The article has zero secondary sources - all sources are his own website and his social media which is completely unacceptable for a biography. It appears this article was created as promo. AusLondonder (talk) 16:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Cameron

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. None of the political positions occupied by this subject is NPOL-passable. Also fails GNG or BASIC generally. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping to add some more info in a couple hours but won't be able to so I won't contest the deletion. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You definitely should be able to make improvements. This nomination doesn’t stop you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I looked for her and found many people with this name... I put Tasmania in the search box and found very little about her: fails WP:GNG. Also, Deputy-mayors and councillors of themselves are not considered notable according to WP:politician. They need significant press coverage for that— Iadmc♫talk  12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to Mette Frederiksen#Personal life by an abundant unanimous consensus. Discussion closed per WP:SNOW. — CactusWriter (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on Mette Frederiksen

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Per WP:NOTNEWS. Should be merged into Mette Frederiksen#Personal life and would fit perfectly there. Absolutely no need for a separate article. CycloneYoris talk! 01:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This event isn't notable enough to be remembered for any length of time. She was purely injured. The unknown person at the time of writing possibly never had a plan to use any weapons but to just shove. Unlike the other example in the article such as Fico's attempted assassination being an event likely to be remembered because a politician was injured by firearm by someone who opposed the Prime Minister's policies. 71.223.90.84 (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Buffoons, why would you make an article on a man shoving someone, no matter how important they are. DementiaGaming (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - I agree I was reading the article and thinking that this is too light to be considered attack. What's next, calling an insult an attack on a politician? This is a waste of data. Cganuelas (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge. There doesn't seem to be enough relevant information on this to warrant a full article at this time, and from the description of the event, I would suspect very little will be forthcoming. DeemDeem52 (talk) 14:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge: this hardly warrants more than a paragraph. --The Cosmonaut (talk) 03:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy merge I must yet again ask the article creator not to rush to create single-sentence pages on current events and instead propose a split of the main article when length of material warrants it. Reywas92Talk 16:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ayyalur Subhan Ali

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WP:BLP of a smalltown local politician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for local politicians. As always, politicians at the local level of office are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the inclusion test for a local politician hinges on showing a significant depth and volume of reliable source coverage about their work -- specific things they did, specific projects they spearheaded, significant effects their leadership had on the development of the town or city, and on and so forth -- but this is basically just "he is a politician who exists", referenced mainly to primary sources that are not support for notability, while the closest thing to reliable source coverage about him is covering him in the context of undergoing surgery rather than in the context of anything related to making him notable as a politician.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much more and better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrat Saeed Qureshi

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. There's nothing from WP:BEFORE to establish notability either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete failed candidacy misses WP:NPOL BrigadierG (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 18:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Balita

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Doesn't appear to be notable independently of his senate run, for which Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill#Political candidates would apply, with the sources given being candidate databases and interviews. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep per D-Flo27's expansion the KBP awards can pass WP:ANYBIO as it is a national broadcaster's award. However, I'm not sure about the other awards. --Lenticel (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:NPOL. Azuredivay (talk) 06:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I actually found a lot of sources since yesterday that can help explain his notability more than just being a senatorial candidate. Unfortunately I was busy today so I'll just expand the article tomorrow as it's late where I am right now. D-Flo27 (talk) 15:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @D-Flo27 please ping me if you do. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanderwaalforces and everyone else, I've just finished my edits now. Let me know what you think. D-Flo27 (talk) 08:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Romy Tiongco

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The article does not meet the notability guidelines of WP:POLITICIAN TheNuggeteer (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. I think the two programmes on the BBC all about him and the first of these and its report his on him were what led me to start this page and think him notable enough - perhaps via general notability rather than as a politician per se. A political activist, NGO worker and then politician (Msrasnw (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    • Comment - maybe you should find more sources, only 2 out of the 7 sources work.
    TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If there are 2 "working" sources, that should be enough for WP:GNG. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One of the sources is a video source which does not work anymore, is one source okay? TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Our "policy" on this is WP:LINKROT, and it being dead should not be taken against the article, more so if the reference is more than a decade old.
    So no, your premise of this article having just one source doesn't hold. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I did a WP:BEFORE search outside of the sources in the article and can't find anything which suggests to me that the article passes WP:GNG. The non-working links do not necessarily suggest there was secondary coverage of him, either - the magazine just has a wordpress site and the BBC radio bit is an interview, which are not secondary. SportingFlyer T·C 17:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jono Jumamoy

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG TheNuggeteer (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Cajes

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG TheNuggeteer (talk) 13:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the only sources I can find are related to her slapping someone and COVID lockdowns, which aren't good enough for WP:GNG. Mayor doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN. Generally a very minor politician with no major record to speak of. Possible redirect to Roberto Cajes, her husband — Iadmc♫talk  13:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dont think the redirect is possible, the redirect does not contain even a sentence of Judith Cajes. TheNuggeteer (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point further showing how minor she is— Iadmc♫talk  14:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to List of mayors of Galway. ✗plicit 14:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declan McDonnell

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There was a discussion in 2011, but I think views on this generally may have developed. The sources don’t indicate WP:GNG and WP:NPOL/WP:NSUBPOL. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Mayor could be notable, but I don't see much coverage of that position he held; [23] is typical of what I find, reporting on the goings-on of the city council, nothing to help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect to List of mayors of Galway. As an WP:ATD. (As noted, subject's main claim to notability is as mayor of Galway. And is otherwise, albeit sitting quite a bit longer than other councillors, covered to the same degree as other local politicians/reps. However, outright deletion seems a bit drastic. As most notability is tied with the main office he held, I'd just redirect there.) Guliolopez (talk) 21:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of mayors of Galway. As an WP:ATD per above. Djflem (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Samantha Squalia

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WP:BLP of a mayor, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for mayors. As always, mayors are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to pass WP:NPOL #2 -- where the inclusion test hinges not on simple verification of her existence, but on the ability to show a depth and range and volume of reliable source coverage that enables us to write a substantive article about her political impact: specific things she did, specific projects she spearheaded, specific effects her mayoralty had on the development of the city, and on and so forth.
But this is of the "she is a mayor who exists, so here's some unsourced background information about her educational and pre-political career credentials" variety with absolutely none of the content about her mayoralty that we require, and is "referenced" solely to her primary source profile on the self-published website of the city council, which is not a notability-building source.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source something more substantive and better-sourced than this, but just using the city government's own website to prove that she exists is not how you get a mayor over the wikibar. Bearcat (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete This is the mayor of a small-ish (41K pop) town. The sources I can find are both routine (Mayor was elected, mayor did job) and limited to local news sources (again, a small locality). This person has been in office only since January, 2024 so while there may be potential it is clearly as yet unfulfilled. Lamona (talk) 22:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sajjala Ramakrishna Reddy

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Notabillity issue. Thewikizoomer (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Care to specify, how is this individual not meeting notability requirements? Oaktree b (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Neal Potter

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Biography of a politician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL. The notability claim here is that he was a county executive, which is not an "inherently" notable role that guarantees a Wikipedia article -- it's a role where he would have to pass the second clause of NPOL ("local political figures"), where the inclusion test hinges on the depth and volume of reliable source coverage about him that can be shown to support an article with. But except for one obituary upon his death, this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability, with no other reliable or GNG-building sources shown.
As his career was several decades ago and thus might not Google well, I'd be perfectly happy to withdraw this if somebody with much better access to archived Arlington-area media coverage from the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s than I've got can find enough to salvage it -- but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 11:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arlington County is literally suburbs of Washington DC, so the existence of a staff-written obituary in the Washington Post just suggests the exact same purely local notability that any county executive in any county could always show, and is not in and of itself enough to singlehandedly determine that he's more notable than the norm. So we would need to see a hell of a lot more than just that alone. Bearcat (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed I thought of that, but the Washington Post is not a local newspaper in the same way that say that Arlington Sun-Gazzette is. It was written by their same obituary staff as their other obituaries. I think that a look at their current obituaries will show that obituaries in the paper are dedicated to people whom they believe have more than local notability. I don't see, for instance, other local officials or former high school sports coaches there, except in the paid death notices section. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 22:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shahzada Ahsan Ashraf

Shahzada Ahsan Ashraf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Back in 2018, there was a brief discussion about whether caretaker cabinet level positions automatically confer WP:N. The consensus was that they do not, and one has to pass the GNG to have a bio. Based on that discussion, the subject of this BLP does not fall under WP:POLITICIAN and must meet GNG, which he currently does not. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sayed Abbas Ali Shihab Thangal

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Fails WP:BASIC. References are trivial mentions or don't mention subject. Can't find anything on Google/news about him. C F A 💬 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete most definitely does not pass GNG. This is exactly the sort of BLP our policies are intended to prevent. It’s essentially a promotional profile for a party official based on passing mentions and his relationships with people who are actually notable in our terms. Mccapra (talk) 06:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds like a problem that could be solved through editing, rather than deletion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It didn't seem like a promotional, with many relatives, it was reflected in the scholar's family, the person holding the posts of the largest legally functioning Islamic youth organization in India. and He is a member of the family circle of Prophet Muhammad in India(Sayyid ) Spworld2 (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miskin Abdal

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. References cited are unclear, poorly formatted and mostly incapable of verification. Unencyclopedic tone. Created and edited by sockpuppets. Geoff | Who, me? 16:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Politicians, Philosophy, Poetry, and Azerbaijan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Although the article indeed has a lot of problems, these cannot be a reason for deletion. (The most major issue is the large amount of unsourced content, which may simply be removed.) The topic appears to be notable. There is significant coverage among a multitude of sources:[24][25][26][27][28] (The last two sources are solely on the details of his life and works.) Aintabli (talk) 03:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I did not find any references to the information added to the wiki page in the citations you provided. All I found were statements by those authors and nothing else. HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    There are 5 links, 2 being sources solely about him. I doubt you checked any of them. Your comment and vote below basically disregards what AfD is meant to be for. On top of this, we can all see you created your account 6 minutes before commenting here. Welcome back, I guess! Aintabli (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have checked all your citations from 1 to 5. None of them has any references to the claims made in them and in this Wikipedia article. If you think that I missed them, then you are welcome to present any documentations. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    That's not the point of those links. Aintabli (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I took a look to this page https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskin_Abdal. There are a lot of absurd statements, like Safavid King Sultan Hossain visited some village in nowadays republic of Armenia. Safavid King Ismail gave an order to M. Abdal and etc. They are absurd, because kings' orders were not given to anybody, but kept in chancery or diwan. There is no record of King Sultan Hossain visiting some village in that region. It seems articles about this person are hoaxes. HeritageGuardian (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    The Azerbaijani-language version has nothing to do with the English Wikipedia. Aintabli (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, clearly meets WP:GNG per [29], which is already cited in the article. Psychastes (talk) 18:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was unable to read this citation. I see that it was published in 2001. What kind of document or any evidence it has? thx HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I found the citation 6 at https://ia801605.us.archive.org/26/items/huseyn-ismayilov-miskin-abdal-2001/H%C3%BCseyn%20%C4%B0smay%C4%B1lov%20-%20Miskin%20Abdal%20%20-%202001.pdf. It is the same as citation 5 in previous log. There is no references to any documents. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - references to this article do not cite any documents that could support claims made in it. All of them are opinions of their authors.HeritageGuardian (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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I have investigated this article in depth and found out that this is a hoax for the following reasons.
1. All citation for this article do not reference any well known Safavid literature, although in its first paragraph, it is stated that "many years was in charge of foreign affairs of the Safavid state under Shah Ismail Khatai (1487–1524)." Names of all persons who were in charge of foreign affairs during Shah Ismail are well known. None of them was an ashugh or had nickname Miskin Abdal or was from nowadays territory of Armenia as stated in this article

2. At page 38 of the first citation "https://www.academia.edu/40616613" there is a picture supposedly of an order given to M. Abdal by Safavid King Ismail. However, it is fake. Because non of the Safavids Kings had that kind of large seal and usually Safavid orders have seal at the top of the text but not at the bottom. Also, kings' orders were not given to anybody, but kept in chancery.

3. In the first paragraph of this article it is stated "He was the founder of the ashugh school" and again referred to this book "https://www.academia.edu/40616613, where there is no references proving this statement.

4. The second paragraph states "One of the brightest figures in the history of Azerbaijan, he played an important role in the development of science and art." and refers to a book, where I did not find any proof to this statement. Only statement by its author.

5. The third paragraph states "Under the name of Miskin, Abdal (Architect of the soul) was the creator of the literature of Azerbaijani minstrels - ashugh folk singers." to which there is no reference.

6. The fourth paragraph states "After many years of service at the court of Shah Ismail I Khatai, in 1524 he returned home. He opened the first school in Sariyagub ... " and refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskin_Abdal#cite_ref-3 However, the referred content does not have anything related to the above statement. So, the fourth paragraph is a completely false statement.

7. The rest of the article until the last sentence does not have any citations, so I accepted it as statement of users who created this article. Btw those users were identified as sockpuppets

Due to the above reasons, I recommend this article be deleted immediately. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete, mostly per WP:INUNIVERSE and WP:V and WP:TNT. Searching his name on Google Scholar finds sources whose reliability I cannot evaluate stating that there was a sufi by this name at about this time period. For anything beyond that I get the impression that much is folklore (specifically, the epic "Miskin Abdal and Senuber" briefly mentioned in our article). Our article itself reads like it was transcribed from that epic, or maybe from a children's history book based on it. We need to clearly distinguish fact from folklore here, but we cannot do it with the current basis. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @David Eppstein Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character. TNT feels really off here as I have pointed out given the problem is unsourced content, which I have removed now (thus not so difficult to solve). And the rest is easily solvable as the content is not much. Verifiability cannot be a reason for deletion alone, unless it is TNT. The results from Google Scholar are mostly academic journals. If the concern is their reliability, we would be better off assessing each one (44 results with one spelling) instead of making general statements. There is also a plethora of other sources that can be found on Google Books as well as those I have additionally linked above. Respectfully, I find this vote misguided since most sources are not in English, plus we most likely have a WP:SPA above (please check their edit history), who has gone so far to claim this is a hoax despite obvious WP:SIGCOV. Aintabli (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    When you say "Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character" it is difficult to determine whether you mean that (1) someone by that name existed, (2) nobody ever wrote any fiction about him, or (3) the content of our article is not based on fiction. Those are different things and we need to distinguish them clearly. If there is verifiable and reliable content about the factual details of his life, that needs to be sourced. If our article is entirely based on an epic, it should be about the epic, not the character in it. So far the best evidence we have is a Google Books link that tells us the title of a book, which doesn't help resolve these questions. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @David Eppstein, I mean that someone by that name existed. Those are not the only sources, and Google Books has limited preview. See this for example, which is his entry in a biographical dictionary published by a university in Turkey. This is just an example of the variety of sources available about his life and not just his works. Aintabli (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are two more sources "solely" about him: paper from an academic journal and a book At this point, there are at least 5 publications shared here that delve into the details of his life and numerous other that are partially about him. As I have underlined, taking Miskin Abdal as a fictional character would be a huge misunderstanding, which you appear to have partially based your vote on. TNT leaves an open door to recreation, and as far as I know, is meant to be for incurable articles that would be timesinks to edit. A merely 50-100 word article does not fit into that description. Aintabli (talk) 22:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The first citation you gave simply repeats statements made in book by İsmayılov Hüseyn, which I have already investigated and found out that it does not have any reliable references.
    The second citation you gave, a paper from academic journal, references some newspaper articles. A newspaper article does not provide a reliable source. It is expected that a scientific journal gives a reference to original documents.
    The last book you cited basically repeats content of the first book from the citations of this article. On page 43 a picture of a Safavid king order is presented, which is fake. Because none of the Safavid Kings had that kind of large seal and usually Safavid orders have seal at the top of the text but not at the bottom.
    Moreover, I did not find any reliable information about epic "Miskin Abdal and Senuber" that was mentioned in this article and in book by İsmayılov, Hüseyn. This looks suspicious because an epic was mentioned only in 2001. This is too late for an epic. It could be invented as a part of this hoax.
    I noticed that you removed much of the text and left the first paragraph intact, where a statement is made "... statesman, who for many years was in charge of foreign affairs of the Safavid state under Shah Ismail Khatai (1487–1524). He was the founder of the ashugh school" This statement is false. I have already commented on it. Will repeat again. Names of all persons who were in charge of foreign affairs during Shah Ismail are well known. None of them had nickname Miskin Abdal or founded an ashugh school.
    Overall, the more I investigated this article, the more I get convinced that a group of people tried to publish the same or similar content in various news articles and books, to create impression about existence of a known person. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC) — HeritageGuardian (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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  1. ^ "Milton Keynes Central". BBC.
  2. ^ Whocanivotefor UK General Election https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/71469/ UK General Election. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ Owen, Jonathan. "Conservative general election comms revealed". PR Weekly.
  4. ^ Cecil, Nicholas. "RIshi Sunak challenged over partygate scandal fine by man whose mum died in Covid pandemic".
  5. ^ Luk, Johnny. https://www.aljazeera.com/author/johnny-luk. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  6. ^ Luk, Johnny. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/author/johnny-luk. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
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