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Imperium (film series)

Imperium (film series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article is unsourced. I don't see why this topic deserves an article as there are no sources on the Imperium series, only sources on the individual movies. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this sorted in the Romania-related discussions? Some of the production companies involved are Spanish/German/French but I see no participation of Romanian actors or producers. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to the nom's implicit question is that Wikipedia:Notability, right at the top, says that we can merge up articles into a bigger subject. See also Wikipedia talk:Notability (books)#Should NBOOK cover series or just individual books?, which has almost 150 comments on a closely related subject. See statements like "Where a source contains coverage of one of the books in a series of books, this coverage is deemed to be coverage of the series of books, in addition to being coverage of that book" and "Articles on book series may be created in some cases where there are no series-level sources, drawing on the sourcing of the individual books." WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WhatamIdoing, what outcome are you arguing for? Liz Read! Talk! 23:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm not wrong I'm pretty sure he's saying that keep is the answer, even though what he's talking about is the Notability for books. MK at your service. 03:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WhatamIdoing indicates in her preferences that she would like to be referred to as she. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, but if you don't have WP:NAVPOPS installed, it's not usually convenient to look up those settings. Innocent mistakes never bother me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz, I'm not sure whether it should be kept and converted to an article (e.g., adding paragraphs and sources), kept as a WP:SETINDEX, or converted to a WP:DAB page. But I don't think overall that we solve any problems by deleting it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist, last hope for some more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alessandro Devodier

Alessandro Devodier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were transactional announcements with routine coverage (1, 2, 3, 4) JTtheOG (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Schleicher

Carl Schleicher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCLTALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCLTALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention? Ethanbas (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FortunateSons 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the comments left by the reviewer:
  • Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
48JCLTALK 11:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now. FortunateSons (talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Argument has been very messy thus far, would appreciate some clear comments.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadspike [Talk] 09:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Unless we have better sourcing, I don't think the article is ready for mainspace... I mean, he exists, but finding any sort of critical mention of the fellow is difficult. [1] is but a brief mention in a caption, this won't open from my location [2], this talks about his daughter [3]. Sourcing now in the article is basic auction listings and links to images of his paintings, nothing about the individual himself. Having articles in other wiki versions does nothing for notability (and frankly they would likely be deleted as well for lack of sourcing). Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: He does have a Getty ULAN listing, which is helpful. [4], he appears in one German-language volume and what appears to be a database. I'm still not sure these are enough for our notability standards. Oaktree b (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The artist might not be ready for an article here, but the one painting showing the rabbis sitting and discussing at the table might have enough for an article; this from the Wikipedia Library [5], Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Giovanni Pellegrino. Owen× ☎ 11:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La guerra civile

La guerra civile (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is very odd. It started life as what appears to be a personal essay/content fork about Italian politics (entirely sourced to La guerra civile) under the title Terrorism in Italy since 1945, then at some point someone misinterpreted the content as about the book itself and content about that book introduced and the essay stuff removed, so for the past 13 years it's been about the book, but under the original title. I tried to find sources under that title, failed for 20 minutes, realized what happened, and moved the page.

Anyway, still can't find any reviews/analysis/sources. It's probable they may exist given the language barrier and very generic title, but I couldn't find any. If sufficient sources are presented I can withdraw. As an ATD if there are no sources redirect to the author Giovanni Pellegrino. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment article is currently a redirect. Given the vagueness of the term, and the target page being a WP:BLP, I support deleting this impractical, foreign language redirect.Dan the Animator 00:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It was not a redirect when I afd'd it: this was done out of process. I'll revert that.
    It was a book he wrote. It is an acceptable redirect on that front, especially if the book is cited. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies! I redirected it, thinking it was a PROD not an Afd (:D) I read your rationale but didn't read the rest of the tag properly, and just BLARed it all. Sorry for that..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't worry, it's all good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh got it, thanks! For the restored article, the only citation is to the book itself, which doesn't help establish the notability of the book. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a redirect called "La guerra civile (book)". Given that the phrase "la guerra civile" can mean/refer to almost anything on the page Civil War, I'll leave to other editors to rule on the chance that a reader using this redirect would be thinking of the book and not some other meaning. Cheers, Dan the Animator 15:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Giovanni Pellegrino would be a suitable ATD (but once this discussion is finished indeed).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Giovanni Pellegrino. The core topic is confused and SIGCOV could not be found. Jontesta (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Italian Syrians

Italian Syrians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge arrival of Livorno Jews into History of the Jews in Syria then Delete as per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 12:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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