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Humanitarian aid

Hi. Thanks for your message. Could you please remove the external link to the outdated Reuters site if you don't approve of my replacement. Or should it be there forever? Would https://news.un.org/en/news/topic/humanitarian-aid be an appropriate replacement? Why did you remove my other edit on the GHO 2024? I don't get it. I am new, but I was trying to start improving an article that is not very good and out of date. DanKost (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BiglyBT

Maybe I am wrong, but I can not shake off the feeling that mr. Liu is a re-incarnation of the many former BiglyBT-promotors. And possibly has a COI and a hearing problem (WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT). The Banner talk 16:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly have no idea one way or the other. They are not a single purpose editor, though, so unless they disclose it themselves for some reason I don't see how it would make much practical difference. MrOllie (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MrOllie's mistakes

MrOllie, you have deleted my scientific and academic contributions with verified bibliographic references in the links. This is a serious error, because this academic contributions are very important in this scientific discipline. You are not an expert on these topics, but I am. Because of beings like you, Wikipedia is a very bad encyclopedia. I'm going to revert your changes because all the scientific information is correct. There is no cite spam, it's completely fake. Bibliographic links are proof of the veracity of citations. MrOllie, maybe you have to be eliminated from Wikipedia because you are obsolete. Be genuine and apologetic for your mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ma'at36 (talk • contribs)

Reverting your self promotion is not a 'mistake'. You should respect Wikipedia's guidelines about conflict of interest and self promotion, which have been linked for you on your own talk page. Empty threats about eliminating me from Wikipedia will not help the situation. - MrOllie (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
uninvolved opinion I think you are confusing wikipedia, that requires WP:SECONDARY referecences, with a scientific publication that allows original-author publication. It does not matter at all how important, numerous, or "verifified" (whatever that means) a publication of a new idea is, it's still WP:PRIMARY research. I agree with MrOllie that your main edit pattern is to cite your own work, name-drop yourself, and edit-war about it. No, that's simply not acceptable here. I've dropped a level-3 warning. DMacks (talk) 13:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but self-promotion was not my intention, I apologize. However, please I need my contributions to be reversed so I can reduce my citations that are reference handbooks and be able to add citations from other authors.

As I said, WP:SECONDARY is the key, not just "other authors". I do not know enough about the topic at this time to decide whether it is WP:DUE to include it at all, but in given the closeness of your association witht the topic, I would generally advise to make sure any ideas are at at least somewhat mainstream or established in the field rather than cutting-edge or controversial. DMacks (talk) 16:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sargent movie

Exactly what aspects of this do you consider advertising? I'd like to put back mention of the movie in a manner that you don't consider advertising.

In 2024, Exhibition on Screen produced a documentary ''John Singer Sargent: Fashion & Swagger'', filmed at the [[Museum of Fine Arts, Boston]] and the [[Tate Britain]], London.<ref>{{Cite web |title=John Singer Sargent: Fashion & Swagger - Exhibition On Screen % |url=https://seventh-art.com/product/john-singer-sargent/ |access-date=2024-05-21 |website=Exhibition On Screen |language=en-US}}</ref> It was based on the Sargent and fashion exhibits at those two museums, linked to below in "External links".<ref>''The Guardian'' review: [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/apr/15/john-singer-sargent-fashion-swagger-review-exhibition-on-screen "John Singer Sargent: Fashion & Swagger review – exploring the artist’s work in style"]</ref> Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is promotion for a nonnotable film. It was added by the filmmaker, and it links to the filmmaker's website, where one can pay to stream the filmmaker's review. The Guardian review spends more time talking about Sargent and the physical exhibition than it does about the film it is ostensibly reviewing. MrOllie (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have reposted the above with a link only to the Guardian review, since you consider the filmmaker's website an ad. I don't know what you mean by "it was added by the filmmaker," as I have no connection with the filmmaker. I also don't know your criteria for notability. I have seen this film and quite a few others produced by Exhibition on Screen, found them all of high quality, and think that they would be of interest to Wikipedia readers who are interested in the artists whose work they are about. I also think that the Guardian review devotes sufficient space to the film, but I don't see the relevance of either your or my opinion of the review. I see no problem with my original post, but I've compromised by editing it in a way that I hope addresses your objections to it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding spammed domains on user talk pages

Hi!

First of all thank you for your work fighting spam!

While fighting spam myself and using spamcheck I saw that you seem to include links to the spammed domain when adding warnings on user talk pages, e.g. here. This is problematic because tools such as spamcheck find those links and display them as unremoved (blue in spamcheck), making it harder to see what links still need removing when doing a systematic purge. I would suggest using {{LinkSummary|spammed.domain.com}} instead if you feel that adding the domain to the warning is necessary. Count Count (talk) 09:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Count Count: The purpose of those links is to track which users have been warned for adding a particular domain - a list can later be generated using Special:Linksearch. The LinkSummary template would not fulfill that purpose. MrOllie (talk) 11:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can find the users who have added a domain using spamcheck. That list is much more complete as it records all additions for a domain and thus shows you all users who have added a link to that domain. Count Count (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the process and tools I've been using, thanks. MrOllie (talk) 11:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a creature of habit myself MrOllie, but I just tried out the spamcheck tool and I'm liking it, especially because it records additions that others may have reverted without adding a link to the spam domain to the user's page as you I and frequently do. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the spamcheck link now included in the link summary should give us the same or better picture of a link's spam history. I'm not going to object if you continue tagging spammers with a domain; you do more anti-spam work than anyone else I know, so the last thing I'd want to do is step on your feet. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Gallery movies

OK, what is it this time? (And how do you keep such close track of my edits?) I used the imdb links with you in mind, because they are not ads. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article in question was on my watchlist. I don't view the imdb link as an improvement - such links are user generated content and very often curated by the people involved. And Wikipedia is not a link directory - we should not be in the business of enabling promotion of a filmmaker's works via any sort of link. I understand from your last message that you like these movies, but that is not a reason to link to them or otherwise mention them on Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned that I found Exhibition on Screen films of high quality only because you'd called the Sargent film "nonnotable." That I find them of high quality is certainly not the reason that I want to mention them on Wikipedia. I want to mention them on Wikipedia because I think that they will interest readers. Wikipedia always lists "Further reading" for that purpose, and there is no reason not to list movies as well as books. I suppose that you would find it acceptable to link to solely a movie review, because you did not revert my Sargent edit after I eliminated links other than to a movie review. I will therefore look for reviews of the two National Gallery movies to link to. If you would find acceptable any other method by which to mention a movie, please let me know. Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not find a link to movie review acceptable either, and I still do not believe that the mention should be on the Sargent article either, I am waiting to see if anyone else cares to weigh in there. MrOllie (talk) 19:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You did not tell me whether what method you would find acceptable by which to mention a movie. Since you reject links to movie producers' websites and you reject reviews, does that mean that you reject any mention of a movie? But that wouldn't make sense, because, as I said, to mention a documentary movie serves the same purpose as mentioning a book under "Further reading." Or do you object to the "Further reading" sections in Wikipedia? I am not being sarcastic; I am trying to figure out your reasoning, which you make little effort to explain.
I don't consider a movie producer's (or a book publisher's) website to constitute an ad for purposes of Wikipedia, because I would cite them for the information they contain, not for their promotion of the movie or the book. But I recognize that reasonable people might differ on that point. I cannot, however, see any argument against citing a movie review or a book review as a source for a statement in the text of Wikipedia that such a movie or book exists. But, now that I think about it, when a book is listed under "Further reading," no footnote is provided, presumably because a reader can go to Google Books or the Library of Congress catalog to confirm the existence of the book. So why not list documentary movies with no footnote, because a reader can go to imdb, or can simply google, to confirm the existence of the movie? The problem with that is that the movie would have to be listed in a section other than "External links."
Please articulate your position on how to list documentary movies. In the alternative, put back my listing of the two National Gallery documentary movies. Maurice Magnus (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My position is: They should not be listed at all. If the films had won major awards or were themselves notable (having multiple independent sources), perhaps. But I do not believe such sourcing exists in this case. MrOllie (talk) 21:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for stating your position, but you don't make an attempt to justify it. How is a movie's having won major awards relevant to whether readers of Wikipedia will be interested in it? In "Further reading," we don't list only books that have won major awards. If anything, it might be less justifiable to list a movie that has won major awards, because it is more likely that Wikipedia readers will be aware of it. But I am not suggesting that we not list movies that have won major awards.
I don't know what you mean by "having multiple independent sources." Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm paraphrasing Wikipedia's definition of Notability, which is our criteria for writing an article about a subject. see WP:N. MrOllie (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]