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Opened Snowspinner vs. Lir case.
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* Accept. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 21:17, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Accept. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 21:17, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Accept [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 01:06, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Accept [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 01:06, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

===[[User:Snowspinner]] and [[User:Lir]]===
Snowspinner blocked Lir for one month, after Lir forgot to log in and used a so-called 'anon IP'. It should be noted that although Lir signed all his 'anon' talkpage edits with [[User:Lir]]; Snowspinner attempted to abuse the arbcom parole ruling by arguing that the IP was either someone impersonating Lir...or else, it was Lir evading the parole with a sockpuppet which always signed its edits [[User:Lir]].

Regardless, Snowspinner made no attempt to contact the user behind the IP; he left messages neither on the IP page, nor on Lir's page. He circumvented the dispute resolution process, and despite the lack of vandalism decided to pretend that emergency action was necessary.

Proof that Lir has attempted to resolve this with Snowspinner can be seen in the Wikipedia IRC channel logs, where Snowspinner promptly banned Lir after Lir attempted to discuss the issue. It is obviously pointless to discuss this with Snowspinner now, since he has already made the ban and there is nothing further to discuss (beyond the question of why the arbcom does not discipline sysop abusers). During the dispute, any attempts of Lir to discuss were blocked by Snowspinner's abuse of sysop powers.

:For the record, Snowspinner did not ban Lir from the IRC channel. Snowspinner banned the address associated with an unstated sockpuppet of Lir. Lir was masquerading as a third party while in the IRC channel and decidedly NOT openly present as Lir. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 23:44, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
::Except, of course, for the fact that she said he was Lir when asked, his profile said Lir, he never said she wasn't Lir, and her IP was a known Lir IP. Dante is just helping Snowspinner make up bogus excuses after the fact. Nobody would accuse jwales of sockpuppetry if he logged into irc, and said, "Jimbo says hi!" [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::Claim what you like Lir, your continued insistance on using the 3rd person (and usage of multiple gender terms) confuses the issue. You also don't have any idea what my motivations are, kindly stop stating that you do. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 01:33, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
::::I see. ''you'' get to talk about ''my'' motivations; but I don't get to talk about yours? Hmmm, I smell a cabalian... Yes, Lir's using the third person and refusing to accept the wikipedia's assigned gender is most ''certainly'' confusing...at least for you it seems. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::::I talked about your motivations when exactly? And it is confusing to me.. which is exactly what I stated. Do you have problems understanding my writing? --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 21:01, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
::::::Why don't you stop trolling, mmk? [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::::::I clarified an important issue for the arbitrators and you accuse me of helping Snowspinner making up bogus excuses after the fact and '''I'm''' the one trolling? Cute. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 08:17, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)


The arbitration committee is expected to address the question of what to do with the cabal of sysops who repeatedly take turns banning Lir for trivial and made-up offenses. The arbcom is reminded that it has previously sided with Lir in 4 previous unjustified bannings; obviously, action needs to be taken against this cabal.

In addition, the arbcom is asked to reinstate Lir's vote at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Three_revert_rule_enforcement 3 RevertRule Vote]; which Snowspinner took it upon himself to remove, without attempting to discuss whether it should be removed on the talk page. Snowspinner should also be disciplined for failing to notify anyone that he had removed Lir's vote. Lir would re-insert the edit; however, the arbcom has declared that Lir is to be banned if he re-inserts any edits which Snowspinner removes.

Furthermore, the arbcom is expected to unban Lir from the IRC channel. Members of the arbcom have operator status on said channel, the channel is used by members of the wikipedia, the arbcom itself has a channel there -- claiming that Snowspinner has the right to ban Lir with impunity will not bode well for the arbcom's honor.
[[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]

:I request that the arbcom does take this case to consider reinstating Lir's month ban, as the IP address was not declared on Lir's userpage as the previous arbcom ruling demands. I also request that Lir be given a short ban for these edits, which are a mix of personal attacks and vandalism: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=6911221&oldid=6909410], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:198&diff=6950097&oldid=6949690], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks&diff=6950082&oldid=6949732], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Get_laid&diff=0&oldid=7002874]. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 23:38, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

:I unblocked Lir understanding this ban to relate to the "parole" section of the ruling. I understand now that it relates to the other accounts section. I'm not sure that "other accounts" also refers to non-logged in edits. If it does, I think this needs clarifying. I can see that Lir might also be confused on this point, and would suggest that any ban only be implemented if this happens again once the wording has been clarified (unless this has already been explained to Lir elsewhere of course). I agree with Snowspinner that the edits under that IP (which Lir has confirmed as hers) need looking at -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 23:49, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:::For the record, I also unblocked Lir following Snowspinner's block. Snowspinner re-blocked Lir. All this was openly discussed in the IRC channel #wikipedia. I told Snowspinner I would not re-unblock Lir if Snowspinner blocked again. I disagree with Snowspinner's interpretation of the ArbCom ruling, but that does NOT mean that I don't understand his reasoning. I find Snowspinner's reasoning sound (although I don't support his conclusions) and therefore do not consider his actions to constitute abuse, but to fall in the realm of discretion. I said as much at the time in the IRC channel. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 23:41, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

::My objection to the IP account is that one of the reasons Lir needs to declare accounts is accountability - so that Lir's edits are transparent, basically, and can be observed. This made it so that it was difficult to track Lir's edits using User Contributions, and thus subverted one of the basic reasons his sockpuppetry was a problem. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 23:54, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

:I would clarify, for Lir, that the arbcom ruling is that he is not to re-insert any edits that ANY admin removes, so long as those edits are listed as "provacative." I made no such listing regarding Lir's vote. I did, however, object to an IP address voting and then correcting its signature to read as Lir. That was unverifiably Lir, and there is ample precedent against counting IP votes. If Lir wishes to vote again under his account instead of as an anonymous IP, he should do so. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 18:26, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
::I would clarify, for Snowspinner, that the wikipedia ruling is that he is not to delete other user's votes. The fact that Snowpinner banned me for being Lir, shows that he ''knew'' I was Lir (voting as Lir) -- as such, he shouldn't have removed my vote (and he should put it back, I don't have time to waste following Snowspinner around and undoing all of his abuses of authority). [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::Other than the actions of the IP in signing comments "Lir" I had no way of knowing that the IP was in fact Lir until this point. So I removed an IP vote and I banned the IP for a month. This is in no way a violation of policy - votes not made by logged in users have never counted. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 00:56, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
::::Removing a vote, and making no effort to inform others that you removed it...that ''is'' in violation of policy. Likewise, banning IPs for signing as a user is ''also'' a violation of policy (except when there is good reason to think the IP isn't that person) -- obviously (from your comments at the time of the banning), you had reason to think the IP ''was'' me. You certainly made no effort to find out if the IP was me, and the IP certainly wasn't vandalizing anything -- thus, that is yet another violation of policy. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::::Blocking any account you use that is not declared in your userpage is in no way a violation of policy. Rather, it is in exact compliance with the AC ruling against you. As for the claim that the IP wasn't vandalizing anything, would you like to look at the four edits listed above? [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 02:29, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)
::::::My IP is not an account. Nobody has ever been banned for forgetting to log in. The above edits are not vandalism; in any case, you didn't see any need to ban me for them when they were made...why wait until you realized that was my IP? Obviously, you have a grudge (didn't I call you a lapdog?) and you are unable to use your powers with responsiblity. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]
:::::::You are not an ordinary user, Lir. You're a user under an arbcom restriction. Pointing to how other users is treated is beside the point. You get to be banned for things that ordinary user doesn't get banned for. And if that includes conveniently forgetting to log in when you vandalize Wikipedia, well, perhaps you shouldn't have gotten yourself to the point where the ruling against you was needed. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 04:11, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)
::::::::You are not an ordinary sysop, Snowie. You are a sysop who breaks the rules and needs to be under arbcom restriction. I ''do'' get to be banned for things that the ordinary user doesn't...just not the things you banned me for. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]

:I think Lir should be disciplined for referring to himself in the 3rd person. In my past attempts to help Lir, I have found him to be uncooperative even (or especially) on petty matters. He wastes our time on technicalities instead of agreeing with our objective of '''cooperationg''' to make accurate articles. Make him follow the rules, or keep him off this website. [[User:Ed Poor|--user:Ed Poor]] [[user talk:Ed Poor|(talk)]] 18:58, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
::Lir has to wonder at some of the people on this site... "...[lir] wastes our time on technicalities...make him follow the rules" LoL Ed, I'm sure Lir has found you to be just as uncooperative as you have found her. [[User:Lir|Lirath Q. Pynnor]]

====Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (4/0/0/0)====
#Accept. Clearly both parties agree that Snowspinner blocked Lir for a month -- that was either justified or not. If justified, I think it means the Lir problem needs revisiting. If not, then we need to reprimand Snowspinner somehow. Either way, accept. Let's just try to keep the evidence page as evidence, not lengthy diatribes, please? [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:34, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
# Accept. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 01:24, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
# Accept [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 13:12, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
# Accept. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:54, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
# Accept [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 01:06, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)


===[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] and [[User:Darrien|Darrien]]===
===[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] and [[User:Darrien|Darrien]]===
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==== Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/4/0/0) ====
==== Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/3/0/0) ====
* Reject. Please try dicussing this matter with the other parties on their talk pages and on the talk page of the article, if you are unable to work out an agreement between yourselves unaided, please request mediation. If mediation fails, this matter (or rather the problems which underlie this matter) may be referred to arbitration by the mediation committee. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 12:23, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject. Please try dicussing this matter with the other parties on their talk pages and on the talk page of the article, if you are unable to work out an agreement between yourselves unaided, please request mediation. If mediation fails, this matter (or rather the problems which underlie this matter) may be referred to arbitration by the mediation committee. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 12:23, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject; attempt ealier steps first. However, a quick glance at the talk page reveals no comments at all from either side - nor, indeed, from the protecting sysop. Do better. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 12:45, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Reject; attempt ealier steps first. However, a quick glance at the talk page reveals no comments at all from either side - nor, indeed, from the protecting sysop. Do better. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 12:45, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Reject --[[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 16:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Reject --[[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 16:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)


===[[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]]===

I am still researching the formal basis of my request however report the following facts:

1)I am currently the subject of Arbitration and a temporary injunction

2)I am a candidate for the ArbCom elections

3) In compliance with the temporary injunction, I refrained from editing articles

4) I edited my user page to outline my platform in the ArbCom elections

5) As required under the rules, I nominated for the ArbCom elections by editing the candidates' statements page and related talk page.

6) [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] removed my user page and replaced it with his own words.

7) [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] purported to terminate my candidacy by removing what amounts to a nomination from the candidates' statements page

8) [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] removed comments on the Talk page of the candidates statements page.

I request Arbitration to resolve the legality or otherwise of[[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]]'s actions, particularly the issue of one fellow Wikipedia user purporting to terminate my candidacy. While my candidacy may have started in jest, there is now a very important principle at stake. Whether the unfettered power a few will continue to oppress the many. I may have made mistakes, but none as serious as the abuse of power, the oppression of free speech and the blatant disregard for due process committed here by [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]].

I respectfully request rulings be made on this issue urgently and that UninvitedCompany and associates be injuncted from further vandalising my user page and improperly removing my nomination. [[User:Reithy|Reithy]] 12:42, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

:I endorse Reithy's request. Since Wikipedia operates on a capitalist basis, it seems entirely fitting that he should sell his votes to the highest bidder. We'll have the best arbitrators that money can buy. [[User:Shorne|Shorne]] 13:05, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

====Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/6/0/0)====
* Reject. ''"Both Reithy and Chuck F and any sockpuppets are to edit only on their respective arbcom case"'' [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 18:32, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject. Same reason as Raul. Whether or not the injunction should be changed to allow this exception is a separate matter. But UC did nothting wrong. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 21:59, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*Reject. While I have altered my vote on the injunction to allow Reithy to be a candidate, there is no consensus by the AC at this point that the injunction should be so changed, and until there is, the original injunction stands (and it offered no exception which would allow Reithy to post himself as a candidate). [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 22:17, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* The candidacy for arbitration committee was not put forth in good faith. If it were, a different fact pattern would be presented and I might vote to accept the matter, Reject [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 23:50, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject, FWIW. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 12:05, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Reject --[[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 16:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)


== Matters currently in Arbitration ==
== Matters currently in Arbitration ==
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* [[User:Aranel|Aranel]] - '''Rejected'''
* [[User:Aranel|Aranel]] - '''Rejected'''
* [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Jayjg|Jayjg]] - '''Rejected''' by 6 arbitrators, 1 recusal, 10 Nov 2004.
* [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Jayjg|Jayjg]] - '''Rejected''' by 6 arbitrators, 1 recusal, 10 Nov 2004.
* UninvitedCompany - '''Rejected''', our temporary injunction holds.




== Completed requests ==
== Completed requests ==

Revision as of 18:17, 28 November 2004

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The procedure for accepting requests is described in the Arbitration policy. Important points:

  • Be brief - put a quick list of the nature of the complaints. Link to detailed evidence elsewhere if you need to.
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  • Please sign and date at least your original submission with '~~~~'.
  • New requests to the top, please.

The numbers in the Comments and votes by Arbitrators (0/0/0/0) section corresponds to Accept/Reject/Recuse/Other.

Current requests for Arbitration

168.209.97.34 or Lothario-- or :-lothario-

The anon user (168.209.97.34 also has used 196.2.134.163, Lothario-- and -lothario-) is a tenacious pusher of anti-Islamic POV and is known for disfiguring the articles. For months, he has insisted on inserting the same highly slanted texts, phrases, and words in articles such as Margaret Hassan, Allahu Akbar, Nick Berg, Jihad, Muhammad, and Aisha causing some of them to be protected. He even vandalized my user page User:OneGuy. He makes minimal effort to engage in dialog on Talk pages.

Examples of abuses

On 9 Nov 2004, he added out of context verses to Jihad page. One example, "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies." Surah 8:60 .. The verse with context reads, "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." Surah 8:60-61. After this was pointed out by the User:Mirv and me, 168.209.97.34 went into extensive revert war, refusing to allow the correction.

On 17 Nov 2004, he changed the last sentence in Margaret Hassan article, "handgun by a masked man" to "handgun by a masked Muslim man." (made bold by me). After the word "Muslim" was removed from the killer description by other users, he continued this for the next two or three days. (without discussing it on talk page).

Since 17 May 2004, to the article Allahu Akbar, he has been adding phrases like, "when they attack people of a different religion" and a link to a hate site with text, "hooded Muslim Men yelling "Allahu Akbar" while cutting off a civilian's head", "the phrase invokes fear as the phrase is often spoken by Muslims while attacking others", and on and on. This continued for many months.

On 28 Sep 2004 he added irrelevant links to Nick Berg and continued revert war with other users. Plus many other abuses followed after that on that page.

On 25 May 2004, to the article Aisha, he added the highly offensive and POV phrase She "was raped by Muhammad when she was nine." He continued this abuse for days. Later around 17 Nov 2004, he started deleting arguments from the article that some Muslims use to show Aisha was older than nine.

He also has a long history of disfiguring Muhammad article and adding anti-Islamic POV to that page. See the history and talk page.

Moreover, he vandalized my user page three times.

The IP used in above examples was 168.209.97.34

I request disciplinary action against this user: 168.209.97.34, 196.2.134.163, Lothario--, -lothario-. -- OneGuy 09:29, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

LOL - This is funny. Please look at the history of OneGuy and you will see he has blind faith in Muhammad and is an extreme Islamic apologist. OneGuy constantly ignores the 3 revert rule and wherever he goes a protected page is bound to follow. He reverts without explanation and will revert a users entire contribution even if he only disagrees with one segment of it. In the past, wherever there was a revert war and page was protected, OneGuy actually loses out because the resulting page that's put up after arbitration is more neutral than before. With Aisha, he hid the facts and quotes that showed she was indeed 9 at the bottom and put his quotes (actually, not even quotes since the book he is quoting doesn't even talk about Aisha) on top. This caused a revert war which he lost. He also lost the revert war in Muhammad too. -lothario- 11:00, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The complete history is here for anyone to make the decision; inserting abusive language, deleting counter evidence (and the quotes are on the page, so I didn't "lose"), adding out of context verses and then reverting them, vandalizing user page, adding the words "terrorist," "rape," "incestuous" and "Muslim" to killer description to disfigure and slant articles, and everything else documented above. OneGuy 11:17, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Visit http://www.dictionary.com and look up those words. I was just calling it what it was. A 9 year old girl is not old enough to concent to sexual acts and is called statutory rape. Marrying a family member is incest. Fact is that the person who shot Hassan was Muslim (I know some Muslim apologists are blaming the Mossad, CIA, etc.) You have also started multiple revert wars and clearly ignored the 3 revert rule and ignored other people warning you about it. You should be banned. -lothario- 11:34, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Well, we let the arbitrators decide whose edits have been violating wiki policy of NPOV (for months now) and who vandalized the user page. Most of your edits were reverted by everyone else, actually, not just me. Easy to check that by examining the history. Anyway, have a nice day :) OneGuy

Arbitrators, please also investigate OneGuy's history. He has been warned many times about the 3 revert rule and ignores each and every one of them. It's either his way, or no way. In most (all?) cases, at the end of the edit war the rest of the wiki users agreed with my version. He constatly removed facts that paint Mohammad in a unfavorable manner. He demands that all changes/reverts be discussed in talk before taking action, yet he doesn't even follow his own advice. He has also given me veiled threats by tracing my IP with name dropping the technical contact of the netblock my IP is assigned to by Arin. His clear disregard of the rules should not go without repremand. -lothario- 14:13, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In response to comments by arbitrator James F below, according to dispute resolution page, "Vandalism and flagrant violations of Wikipedia policies and behavior guidelines by repeat offenders may be handled using expedited procedures." I believe 168.209.97.34 behavior has been vandalism (he vandalized my user page three times) and flagrant violations of wiki policy of NPOV.OneGuy

Three words: Pot, kettle, black. OneGuy has started numerous revert wars causing the said article to be locked. Even after several warnings about his constant violation of the 3 revert rule he continues on knowing full well what is he is doing is wrong. He uses POV terms (calling Jews killed by Muhammad "traitors" and such). I feel the major reason for this request for arbitration has less to do with him wanting a resolution and more to do with an armchair-jihadist doing an online slaying of an infidel. The timing is also suspect since I have had no interaction with OneGuy for several days. Previously he would look at my contributions and follow me around. -lothario- 07:22, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"armchair-jihadist doing an online slaying of an infidel". See: Wikipedia:No personal attacks. This can be added as another example of abusive behavior. This should also be a hint to his anti-Islamic POV on wiki. I told him several times that I am not Muslim, but even if he doesn't believe me, the above statement is clearly abusive behavior OneGuy 15:09, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sure. It can be verified who has been flagrantly violating NPOV policy by examining the history and evidence, including vandalizing my user page. Moreover, there were dispute resolution attempts. I and others left messages on talk pages, such as on Talk Jihad (which is now mess but the evidence should be on archive page) and Talk Aisha, "Ready to Comprise," asking him to comprise, but 134 ignored them and continued with deleting material from the article until the article got protected. Please examine the complete history, including the evidence I posted above and his vandalism of my user page. I request disciplinary action. OneGuy

Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (3/0/0/0)

  • Accept Fred Bauder 13:11, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
  • Forgive me for perhaps being somewhat dense, but I see no evidence of attempts at earlier steps in the dispute resolution process, upto and including Mediation. James F. (talk) 21:19, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) Accept. James F. (talk) 11:19, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Accept --the Epopt 01:05, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alberuni

I request Arbirtration concerning User:Alberuni. Alberuni frequently violates Wikipedia policy, especially the rule against personal attacks, which is the primary reason for this request. This effects everyone, as it makes other users more aggitated and more likely to make personal attacks as well. Other methods of dispute resolution have failed, such as an RfC at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Alberuni. Other policies Alberuni consisently breaks are Civility, Assume good faith,and 3RR.

Examples of abusive comments that in edit summaries, from November 20 and 21.:

  1. "roach infestation deleted" [1]
  2. "Zionist lies deleted" [2]
  3. "Why don't you read the illiteracy you are blindly editing into Wikipedia, then I won't have to revert mindless Zionist trolls so much" [3]
  4. "Zionist garbage taken to the curb" [4]
  5. "oops, the Zionists made me do it" [5]
  6. "hasbara is for liars and cheats" [6]
  7. "Talk pages are useless for dealing with biased extremists" [7]

Examples of reconciliation attempts:

  1. Talk:Yasser_Arafat/Archive_2#HistoryBuffEr.2C_let.27s_open_the_dialogue_here
  2. User_talk:Alberuni#The_three_revert_rule
  3. User_talk:Alberuni#thanks_for_staying_cooler_recently
  4. User_talk:Alberuni#comments_on_Israel_Shahak
  5. User_talk:Alberuni#Final_attempt_at_a_return_to_civility
  6. Talk:Yasser_Arafat#Who_is_wasting_time_here.3F

--Josiah 16:33, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sadly, I must second this request for arbitration. Alberuni has made quality edits and has represented a viewpoint which is scarce in the English Wikipedia, but unfortunately s/he has mixed this with unrelenting revert wars and numerous personal attacks against other contributors.

I am quite sympathetic to Alberuni's perspective and I think s/he is capable of representing it fairly, but I also think that his/her often hostile and aggressive style is counterproductive. It causes article discussions in which s/he is involved to degenerate into morasses of personal attacks, reminders to stop those personal attacks, and arguments over whose behavior is worse, thus destroying what should be the focus of talk pages: discussing how to improve the article. Since unofficial efforts have not been effective, I think that official paroles on personal attacks and reversion would help shape his or her editing into something more productive. Yoshiah ap has provided some evidence above; more follows.

There is more, much more, but that should be enough for now. —No-One Jones (m) 21:20, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'll add another:

As you can see, s/he advocates death for those who disagree with her/him. S/he throws the word "Zionist" around as a catch-all epithet for anyone who disagrees with her/him. A2Kafir 06:15, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

User:Mustafaa agrees that Alberuni needlessly incites people:

Look, Alberuni, I sympathise with your intentions, and I've had to fight ignorant pro-Zionist or anti-Muslim editors before. But the fact is that you simply don't engage your opponents most of the time, and add comments guaranteed to fan edit wars. I can understand you getting into edit wars with bigots like "Pename" or some others that I won't name just yet, but it is entirely possible to calmly and rationally discuss edits with people like Jayjg or Zora, even when their POV is diametrically opposed to yours or mine, and it is your own highly emotional editing methods that seem to be the main cause of those edit wars' continuation. - Mustafaa 03:22, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Copied from User Talk:Alberuni Lance6Wins 18:04, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (3/0/0/0)

Arminius and Darrien

It is bad enough that Wikipedia has overwhelming American bias, without it being enforced.

Darrien, as well as generally trying to Americanise the project as much as possible and being thoroughly obnoxious in all his dealings ("rv vandalism" in the edit summary is his favourite way of changing something he disagrees with), has specifically got on my nerves by reverting the seemingly uncontroversial page Apple pie three times to a POV version. I was going to have to reason with him on the talk page, but then in stepped Arminius, who agreed with Darrien's POV and abused his sysop powers to freeze it as Darrien's version. This is bigotry. All non-American Wikipedians need to combat this sort of thing.

The story about the edits is basically that the pie article was written from a US viewpoint. It mentioned how to make it, it included the expression "as American as apple pie", and it had a picture of an apple pie next to baseball gear on a Stars and Stripes. This is all OK in itself, but needs balancing. For example, I put the caption "Apple pie presented as All-American", because I think it's OK to present it like that as long as it is pointed out — it shouldn't be implied that it is the normal way of showing such a pie. I also changed the general implication that apple pie is American (it's European), and offered a possible explanation of what the "American as apple pie" expression would therefore mean. I was of course open to the explanation being balanced and refined. I am not open to it being reverted and the revert being protected.

This is the only channel I am aware of to have pages unprotected. Ideally, those two would be blocked too. Chameleon 11:57, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think you should be more conciliatory, actually. What mostly is required on the page is some segregation of apple pies (global), from the American view. Charles Matthews 12:35, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I can't be conciliatory because the page is blocked. That's the problem, and that's what I'm trying to sort out here. Chameleon 12:43, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have been referred to this dispute by Chameleon. This is clearly a prima facie misuse of sysop powers and is entirely unacceptable. The article anterior to the intervention of Chameleon was woeful and systemically biased, and wholly devoid of the remotest vestige of NPOV in its alignment. I do not however think this is a case for arbitration, rather it is a case of submitting this page for clean up and flagging it as NPOV. We probably need a mechanism here, however, for issue resolution when an admin oversteps the mark. My golden rule regarding page protection is simple: protection only as an absolute and final last resort (except in the case of drive-by vandalism where a temporary protect may be necessary). All admins should in my opinion bear this firmly in mind. Sjc 14:48, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request modification of the article. The problem is not bias, per se, but exceptionally poor structuring. The article should 1) present a proper history of the dish from Chaucer (and earlier if known) to the modern day; 2) present an consideration off the dish in different nations, including a discussion of its metaphorical power in modern America. (Look up Dutch apple dishes); 3) present a list of cultural and literary references.Icundell 12:35, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


[Re. attempting previous steps in the dispute resolution process]

But I can't. I started to discuss it on Arminius's talk page and he just reverted it. They cannot be reasoned with, so it is necessary for me to call in external help (especially since few people are watching that article). You are the external help. Chameleon 12:31, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to suggest that the two parties agree to a factual correction to one statement, so that it reads as follows: "As American as apple pie" is a common saying <in the United States> due to this association.
The article as it stands is fine except for the incorrect implication that "As American as apple pie" is something that a non-American might say, or that apple pies, of all things, are generally regarded as having anything to do with America. Indeed the phrase most usually appears as "As American as mom and apple pie." I think we can all agree that the statement is even more puzzling in this form, unless interpreted in an ironic sense. Moms are not particularly American. Well mine isn't.
Having said that, I think Charles Matthews has hit the nail on the head. How about moving all the American stuff into a section titled "Apple pie in American culture."
I don't think Arminius should have reverted the last-but-one version, which provided a pretty good analysis of a puzzling saying that always bemuses non-Americans: "As American as apple pie" is a common saying, which could be seen as ironic, given that apple pie is not particularly American. It may be that "American" in this context does not mean "invented in America" or suchlike, but instead "apple pie" is used as a symbol of what is folksy and wholesome, and therefore "American". This could be compared to the use of the expression "that's not Christian", which should not be taken literally but instead means "that is cruel or immoral behaviour". Has he explained why he reverted that and then protected the page? (I'm not an arbitrator, for what it's worth) --Minority Report 13:01, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I concur with Icundell's suggestion the the draft Talk:Apple pie/draft be used as the new page.
@ Minority Report. It's the spelling of the word(s) (mom/mommy)that's American, not that all mothers are American by default :) Martin TB 14:30, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I get a sense that there is some more history on other pages in this case. Looking at the page on 27 Oct before Chameleon's first edit, I would have to agree that the article was pretty poor with remarkably strong American bias. Chameleon's edits look essentially correct (not sure I like the Christianity analogy) and Darrien's revert flagged as minor and labelled NPOV is clearly wrong. But my biggest problem is quite why Arminius jumped in reverting and blocking the page - this looks like an abuse of administrator power. Chameleon may not have been too courteous, but note that Arminius' explanation on the Talk:Apple pie (which are also obviously wrong) only occur a couple of hours after blocking the page and after he had ignored Chameleon's complaint on his talk page.
Quite why things escalated so quickly I don't know. Non of the parties seem to have taken any of the other normal steps in dispute resolution. I'm guessing there have been some tussels between these parties on other pages. Fortunately the apple pie page looks a lot better now. -- Solipsist 15:36, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I agree that it did seem to escalate rather quickly. To my knowledge I have never encountered any of the other participants, however, except Theresa Knott. Chameleon asked me to put my opinion on this page, presumably because I have quite often internationalized pages by insertion of phrases like "in the USA" in entries where a writer has written from an American viewpoint, and has apparently either assumed that his statement applies globally or was not aware that the English language edition is likely to have a predominantly non-American readership.
I think Chameleon became unnecessarily abusive, but Arminius could have handled the dispute more fairly prior to that. --Minority Report 18:33, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(William M. Connolley 21:24, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)) I was asked to comment, by C. But... I'm a bit late, because the page now looks fine now, due to other editors getting involved. Its a shame that it took a r-f-a to get the page interenationalised. Could it have been listed on cleanup instead?


Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/3/0/0)

  • Reject. Please try dicussing this matter with the other parties on their talk pages and on the talk page of the article, if you are unable to work out an agreement between yourselves unaided, please request mediation. If mediation fails, this matter (or rather the problems which underlie this matter) may be referred to arbitration by the mediation committee. Fred Bauder 12:23, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Reject; attempt ealier steps first. However, a quick glance at the talk page reveals no comments at all from either side - nor, indeed, from the protecting sysop. Do better. James F. (talk) 12:45, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Reject ----the Epopt 16:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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