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17 June 2024

• curprev 06:2406:24, 17 June 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,162 bytes +9‎ Undid revision 1229507875 by Dominic Mayers (talk) I undo myself, because the word "scientific" was there in 2003 and there is a notion of reliability there. Tag: Undo
• curprev 05:4205:42, 17 June 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,153 bytes −9‎ →‎Due and undue weight: Of course, he was talking about the sources, not the editors. That is so obvious from the context, but fine, we can add "sources". It is obviously exactly what he meant. But, reliability is associated with ways to reject sources that were not considered at the time. If the argument is only a possible confusion with editors, then reliability is not at all needed. Tag: Reverted
• curprev 04:3904:39, 17 June 2024‎ Levivich talk contribs‎ 41,162 bytes −18‎ →‎Neutral point of view: why three shortcuts when one is all that's 'due' ha ha
• curprev 03:3603:36, 17 June 2024‎ Mathglot talk contribs‎ 41,180 bytes +20‎ Undid revision 1226459334 by Dominic Mayers. In Wales's 2003 post on the WikiEN-l mailing list, it is clear that he was talking about reliable sources and not about Wikipedia editors. The example concerns a physics question, and is about what "mainstream physics texts" and the "majority of prominent physicists" (i.e. RSes) say about the question, and a view "held by an extremely small minority"... "doesn't belong in Wikipedia". Tag: Undo

2 June 2024

• curprev 04:5704:57, 2 June 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,160 bytes +2‎ →‎Due and undue weight: dummy edit and apologies. What I’ve said is probably incorrect and it seems that a previous substantial edit is also a direct quote from Jimbo Wales (and not in the editor’s own words as I said). Thanks.

1 June 2024

• curprev 16:2916:29, 1 June 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,158 bytes +16‎ →‎Due and undue weight: better?
• curprev 16:0916:09, 1 June 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,142 bytes −16‎ Self-revert. I didn’t notice there’s a discussion on talk until someone pinged me just now (this page wasn’t on my watchlist). I want to say that the green emphasis was added because in another discussion a user has misinterpreted the policy by citing what Jimbo said. It’s a long story but I don’t think I’m able to explain it clearly. Anyway I don’t want anymore drama so I’m self-reverting. Thanks everyone for watching... Tag: Undo
• curprev 07:3107:31, 1 June 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,158 bytes +16‎ →‎Due and undue weight: Color. Wikipedia:Nobody reads the directions Tag: Reverted
• curprev 07:2407:24, 1 June 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,142 bytes −354‎ It seems to me that substantial change was made to the policy by another editor using their own words. I’m not sure it’s what Jimbo Wales’ original statement means. I’m restoring the page to the last stable version (revision 1224068956). Please read this too. Thanks. Tag: Manual revert

31 May 2024

• curprev 12:1412:14, 31 May 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,496 bytes +78‎ →‎Due and undue weight: This part of Jimmy Wales original statement is fundamental to make clear the link with the fundamental notion of NPOV. In contrast, "reliable sources" can even be used to mean the opposite of NPOV as when people use "reliable" to mean "has a non biased point of view" and this incorrect use of "reliable" happens very often. Tag: Reverted
• curprev 12:0012:00, 31 May 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,418 bytes −13‎ →‎Due and undue weight: The "scientific" is misleading when we do not have the historical context, which was a scientific OR. The general principle is not about scientific knowledge only. This historical context was added as footnote, but this is not sufficient. Tags: Manual revert Reverted
• curprev 11:5411:54, 31 May 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,431 bytes −22‎ The notion of reliable sources was not discussed at the time. It's an important point, but not the key point. Tags: Manual revert Reverted
• curprev 07:0007:00, 31 May 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,453 bytes +2‎ →‎Due and undue weight: better Tag: Reverted
• curprev 06:5906:59, 31 May 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,451 bytes +20‎ →‎Due and undue weight: restore important clarification (revision 1226458510). Tag: Reverted
• curprev 06:5106:51, 31 May 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,431 bytes +13‎ →‎Due and undue weight: add per Jimbo Wales 2003 statement. Tag: Reverted
• curprev 06:4906:49, 31 May 2024‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 41,418 bytes +276‎ →‎Due and undue weight: add context for Jimbo Wales 2003 statement. Tag: Reverted

30 May 2024

• curprev 19:4019:40, 30 May 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,142 bytes −20‎ Undid revision 1226458510 by WhatamIdoing (talk) This is a paraphrase of Jimmy Wales 2002 statement and the notion of reliable sources was not discussed at that time. Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 19:3319:33, 30 May 2024‎ WhatamIdoing talk contribs‎ 41,162 bytes +20‎ →‎Due and undue weight: Not a minority of editors Tags: Reverted 2017 wikitext editor

16 May 2024

• curprev 01:4501:45, 16 May 2024‎ Augnablik talk contribs‎ 41,142 bytes −7‎ →‎Article structure: Some grammar and wording tweaks for clarity. Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 01:3701:37, 16 May 2024‎ Augnablik talk contribs‎ 41,149 bytes 0‎ →‎Naming: A few more slight tweaks in wording for clarity. Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 01:3201:32, 16 May 2024‎ Augnablik talk contribs‎ 41,149 bytes +38‎ →‎Naming: Some slight rewording for greater clarity, especially in bringing out contrasts being discussed. Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 01:2401:24, 16 May 2024‎ Augnablik talk contribs‎ 41,111 bytes +16‎ →‎Making necessary assumptions: Added two other examples to a discussion and made a minor grammar fix. Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit

3 May 2024

• curprev 17:4717:47, 3 May 2024‎ Dominic Mayers talk contribs‎ 41,095 bytes −165‎ Undid revision 1222065949 by Valjean (talk) The intention is not bad, but the formulation might be confusing. In a very important way, neutrality means that Wikipedia takes no POV: it does not support any POV. It only describes them by putting them in perspective, providing the arguments without taking side, etc. Tag: Undo
• curprev 17:4117:41, 3 May 2024‎ Valjean talk contribs‎ 41,260 bytes +165‎ It is important to provide a delimitation immediately. This will prevent a large portion of the misunderstandings about NPOV. Tag: Reverted

26 April 2024

• curprev 15:0415:04, 26 April 2024‎ 21.Andromedae talk contribs‎ 41,095 bytes +18‎ Add shortcuts Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit

29 February 2024

• curprev 05:2505:25, 29 February 2024‎ Valjean talk contribs‎ m 41,077 bytes 0‎ Reverted 1 edit by Awesomejohn098 (talk) to last revision by InTheAstronomy32 Tags: Twinkle Undo
• curprev 04:3104:31, 29 February 2024‎ Awesomejohn098 talk contribs‎ 41,077 bytes 0‎ →‎Balancing different views Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

22 February 2024

• curprev 23:2023:20, 22 February 2024‎ 21.Andromedae talk contribs‎ 41,077 bytes −11‎ Wrong page Tag: Undo
• curprev 23:1623:16, 22 February 2024‎ 21.Andromedae talk contribs‎ 41,088 bytes +11‎ →‎Point-of-view forks: Added shortcut Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

28 January 2024

• curprev 16:1016:10, 28 January 2024‎ Moxy talk contribs‎ 41,077 bytes −604‎ Template talk:Policy#RFC re changing "should" to "must" in first sentence Tag: Undo
• curprev 15:0715:07, 28 January 2024‎ Wik6516 talk contribs‎ 41,681 bytes +604‎ Replaced premade policy template with a custom-made one that reflects the non-negotiable nature of this policy. Tag: Reverted

15 December 2023

• curprev 15:2015:20, 15 December 2023‎ Awesome Aasim talk contribs‎ 41,077 bytes +121‎ →‎Explanation: add example for facts as opinions, also use xt/!xt templates

7 December 2023

• curprev 07:0507:05, 7 December 2023‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 40,956 bytes +4‎ →‎Due and undue weight: i again
• curprev 07:0307:03, 7 December 2023‎ Dustfreeworld talk contribs‎ 40,952 bytes +4‎ →‎Due and undue weight: i

29 November 2023

• curprev 02:3202:32, 29 November 2023‎ Harold the Sheep talk contribs‎ 40,948 bytes −525‎ Undid revision 1187317086 by JzG (talk) Not an improvement. Tag: Undo

28 November 2023

• curprev 14:0514:05, 28 November 2023‎ JzG talk contribs‎ 41,473 bytes +525‎ →‎{{anchor|Giving_.22equal_validity.22}}Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance: try this Tag: Reverted
• curprev 00:4900:49, 28 November 2023‎ PackMecEng talk contribs‎ 40,948 bytes −341‎ Undid revision 1187179073 by Valjean (talk) Better before, quit re-adding it and respect BRD. Tag: Undo

27 November 2023

• curprev 23:1323:13, 27 November 2023‎ Valjean talk contribs‎ 41,289 bytes +341‎ →‎{{anchor|Giving_.22equal_validity.22}}Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance: attribution to User:JzG. This is a PAG, not an article. PAG are primarily based on editorial opinion, not RS. Tag: Reverted
• curprev 23:0123:01, 27 November 2023‎ Valjean talk contribs‎ 40,948 bytes +12‎ →‎Making necessary assumptions: a wikilink can also serve the purpose
• curprev 19:2919:29, 27 November 2023‎ PackMecEng talk contribs‎ 40,936 bytes −229‎ Undid revision 1187139532 by Valjean (talk) Individual user quotes are not suited for policy pages. Maybe a personal essay but not here Tag: Undo
• curprev 18:3618:36, 27 November 2023‎ Valjean talk contribs‎ 41,165 bytes +229‎ →‎{{anchor|Giving_.22equal_validity.22}}Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance: Illustrates the point quite well Tag: Reverted

4 November 2023

• curprev 20:0020:00, 4 November 2023‎ Levivich talk contribs‎ 40,936 bytes +88‎ →‎Essays: +1

27 October 2023

• curprev 04:0204:02, 27 October 2023‎ The Transhumanist talk contribs‎ 40,848 bytes −2‎ →‎Point-of-view forks: update link

13 October 2023

• curprev 05:2205:22, 13 October 2023‎ Fgnievinski talk contribs‎ 40,850 bytes −49‎ WP:RELATED

8 October 2023

• curprev 11:5511:55, 8 October 2023‎ Safes007 talk contribs‎ m 40,899 bytes −2‎ →‎{{anchor|Giving_.22equal_validity.22}}Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance: Removed unnecessary quotes in quote box Tag: 2017 wikitext editor

1 October 2023

• curprev 15:4015:40, 1 October 2023‎ Moxy talk contribs‎ 40,901 bytes +37‎ →‎Religion: {{see|Wikipedia:Myth versus fiction}}

26 September 2023

• curprev 09:0609:06, 26 September 2023‎ Professor Penguino talk contribs‎ 40,864 bytes +163‎ →‎Describing aesthetic opinions and reputations: Suggestions for some slight tweaks to some bits of the rule — without changing the meaning or actual policy described in the rule, of course. Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit

23 September 2023

• curprev 21:3321:33, 23 September 2023‎ Professor Penguino talk contribs‎ m 40,701 bytes +13‎ →‎Explanation

12 September 2023

• curprev 04:4804:48, 12 September 2023‎ Bon courage talk contribs‎ 40,688 bytes −40‎ Restored revision 1174296915 by PackMecEng (talk): Rv. odd Tags: Twinkle Undo
• curprev 04:3704:37, 12 September 2023‎ Professor Penguino talk contribs‎ 40,728 bytes +40‎ →‎Naming Tag: Reverted