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Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): User unblocked per consensus at WP:AE, and so that they can comment on the situation. However, I recommend being more polite in the future to avoid misunderstandings like this incident. Request handled by: Jehochman Talk 20:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you, Jehochman, for the advice. I will respond at WP:AE. ScienceApologist (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but again, the result of the 2nd AfD was keep, and you can look up all sources (books and papers), they all exist. --Little sawyer (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes they hav received attention, read result of the 2nd AfD where I listed all sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by Little sawyer (talk • contribs) 20:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it did. Please read it, it said that the sources existed, that theyy were numerous, and fairly reliable, etc. Please read before asserting nonsense. Many thanks. --Little sawyer (talk) 20:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not anonymous. The nameLittle Sawyer appears on each step of history.--Little sawyer (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with WP:OWN. You can't overturn the decision of the 2nd AfD by yourself. --Little sawyer (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're just crazy (I saw that you deleted the article on Megalithic Yard as well). If that is not notable, then you might just remove 'Prince Charles' or 'Big Ben' as well. I hope vandalists such as you will be blocked soon. You have nothing to do in editing encyclopedias.--Little sawyer (talk) 18:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just adding that I have discovered that Little Sawyer used to post as Snicoulaud Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Snicoulaud, who is Sylvain Nicoulad aks Sylvain Tristan (and who I believe put up an article about himself last year). Nicoulad/Tristan wrote Les Lignes D'or: Pourquoi Toutes Les Capitales Des Premieres Grandes Civilisations Furent erigees Sur Ces Axes and is a supporter of Alan Butler, etc. but didn't declare his interest when adding edits about his book. Which reminds me, is there a way of looking at talk pages, etc of deleted or merged articles? Thanks.Doug Weller (talk) 18:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never hidden I used to post as Snicoulaud, I even explained myself at the time. It doesn't change that someone like ScienceApologist (who has recently deleted 'Megalithic Yard,' for example), should be blocked. 'Megalithic Yard' was an ancient work and that of many contributors to boot. What is more the subject is unquestionably notable. I am sincerely wondering why nobody has restored the article yet. --Little sawyer (talk) 06:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC) By the way the fact that he never replies to me says it all.[reply]

Howdy. I am proud to consider myself a rationalist, proponent of the scientific method, etc, etc, - i.e., I think that you and I are basically on the same team.
I see that you've been blocked a number of times, some of which have not been overturned.
It seems to me that we can summarize this situation that, theoretical considerations about Science, truth, and free speech aside, empirically, your behavior has frequently been problematical in the eyes of Wikipedia administrators. It further seems to me that you must be on pretty thin Wiki-ice at this point.
Perhaps the better part of wisdom would be to exercise control over the less civil of your impulses. If you don't, it seems obvious that very soon you will be subject to a long-term or permanent block, which may not be overturned.
I'm obviously not telling you anything that you don't already know. It's also obviously up to you how you want to proceed. Best wishes. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SA, pay no attention to the shiny thing dangling above. Raymond Arritt (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do not issue many unblocks. Please do not squander this one. Jehochman ^Talk 17:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion here, where you are quoted and might want to participate.

embrace or reject SPOV ——Martin^phi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 01:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After reading over that, I'd say it looks like a minefield. If you choose to hazard a glance over there, let me humbly suggest that you do not respond directly the statements about you. If you find ad hom attacks against you, make note of it here or on the talk page of someone you trust, and let them refactor the comments for you. I'll offer myself as a (non-admin) editor willing to help you with this if you wish to take part. Antelan^talk 02:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SA,

Would you mind running me through how you estimated the ionized hydrogen/free electron scattering cross section and so determined that it is insufficient for the grey extinction needed to explain the SNe results?

I hope you can relate—dark energy strikes me as wildly speculative, and yet it is presented (at least in much of the popular press) as if it were beyond reproach. It seems so much more likely that we've simply not accounted for everything. — kwami (talk) 07:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the Thomson total cross section? I'm not getting the numbers to work out. Also, assuming 10 Mly would bring us up to 2% of photons. — kwami (talk) 09:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll mull that over, and have a friend who's also interested.

Since you've been so helpful, mind if I ask you another? I've never understood how anything could fall into a black hole from the time frame of the outside world, and therefore how a black hole, once formed, could increase in mass during the life of the universe. They are (or were) called "frozen stars" in Russian, cuz time freezes at the event horizon. I've read (maybe in Reiss?) that that was a real conundrum in the 1960s, until someone resolved it, but I've never been able to track down how it was resolved, or why it's no longer considered a paradox. — kwami (talk) 10:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That's the first time anyone has able to answer that for me.

How certain is the 1 H per m³ figure? Is it theory dependent / estimated average density of the universe? Would 10 times that density be detectable to our instruments? — kwami (talk) 06:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The way you have been treating John254 is a case in point. You have been speaking to him as if he were an inferior being. It is not a good idea to tell someone that they should do there homework. Wikipedia is a social experiment. Your opinions are very often scientifically sound but unless you learn how to be diplomatic you are likely going to find yourself being blocked indefinitely. Perhaps a primer on diplomacy would be useful. I am not sure that there is one but if there isn't perhaps you should simply review everything you have to say several times before you send it. I sincerely hope you learn how to avoid refactoring by learning how to avoid pissing people off in the first place. : Albion moonlight (talk) 08:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'tis more of the same Jefffire (talk) 08:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I promise you that I am not trying to bait you SA. But Jeffire's advice is extremely sound. I do not require a response from you so there is no need for you risk saying something that might be taken the wrong way, I apologize ahead of time if I have said anything to upset you. That was not my intention. :Albion moonlight (talk) 09:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you should read Talk:Eric Lerner a bit more carefully and decide who is being treated most badly. You might also look at his block log to see that he has a reputation for behaving in that fashion: it isn't just me who has a problem with him. ScienceApologist (talk) 09:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the details of this situation, but in our Wikipedia activities it doesn't matter who is being treated most badly. This is extremely important.

"But he started it" or "I am being treated worse than him" are not relevant. If we violate any of the rules (especially persistently), we can be warned and eventually blocked or banned, regardless of what's going on with other Wikipedians. (WP:GOFISHING). Have a good one. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The question is, all of us being human, when one's motes are on display whilst others' beams are ignored, what consistency do we have? Spending your time criticizing me may make you feel better, but avoiding criticism of the other involved parties makes me inclined to think you are simply baiting. ScienceApologist (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Wikipedia is so decentralized and that nobody is really in charge except in the most extreme cases, I don't think that we can expect a very high level of consistency.

Also, I'm certainly not baiting (if you're really interested you can take a look at similar posts I've made to others in the past.) Frankly, I'm a little surprised that you'd react that way.

From my POV, the rationality and science folks such as yourself are very much needed around here, and the less time they spend being blocked, the better. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Wikipedia is not a social experiment. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You might try that on for size, Albion. ScienceApologist (talk) 09:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will read Talk Eric Learner. Once again I apologize if I appear to be taking sides. I think that a strong case can be made that Wikipedia is in fact a social experiment because of the fact that everyone is allowed to edit it. I did not realize that it made the the claim that it is not a social experiment. I also think it would be a much more reliable Encyclopedia if it were to hire experts such as yourself to write it. I sincerely hope you are able to avoid being blocked indefinitely. Wikipedia needs you and others like you. Thanks for your participation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albion moonlight (talk • contribs) 09:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and democracy is a social experiment that has been going on in a very meaningful way for the last couple hundred years. At a certain point, the term "social experiment" loses its meaning. Antelan^talk 12:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My own working hypothesis is that Wikipedia is in fact a social experiment, being conducted within the context of building an online encyclopedia. I can't prove that but if you look at what the boss has said about "online communities" and so forth I think that's pretty clear. For better or worse the online encyclopedia appended to the experiment has become widely used, so those of us who care about things like accuracy get sucked into into it. Raymond Arritt (talk) 15:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

those of us who care about things like accuracy get sucked into into it - Frankly, if it weren't for that key concern, I (and you, I'm sure) would have several hours per day of my life back so I could go do some "social experiments" of my own... Antelan^talk 21:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jtrainor it has been suggested that a more appropriate forum for the pattern of behavior of Jtrainor might be a RFC.

If rather taking the high road and putting this behind you, you decide that you want to pursue your civility concerns, I had a series of interactions with Jtrainor in Oct.-Feb. that I would be willing to share as part of a pattern of continued Wikicivility issues. GundamsЯus (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because the user had been seeming to improve behavior, I am willing to believe that the recent actions have been a blip on the road to generally civil behavior. I think the best course may be to keep track of this incident and keep watch. If the 'blip' turns to a trend in the wrong direction, then bring this evidence all to a RFC as solid proof of longstanding and unrepentent pattern of behavior. GundamsЯus (talk) 00:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I invite you to file anything you think is neccesary against me, that I may be speedily exonerated. I have nothing to hide. Jtrainor (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you consider appearing on [1]? It is easiest with a headset, or you can use a microphone and speakers. It is also possible to do it with a telephone in the US and Canada. I have done it twice so far and it was sort of fun. --Filll (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But wouldn't he have to have his voice disguised, to avoid reprisals? Mind you, that would be pretty cool itself. I'd recommend a really electro vocoder effect, like from the original cylons.--feline1 (talk) 14:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He has often appeared previously.--Filll (talk) 14:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can he do the cylon voice anyway? That would be totally awesome. Jefffire (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is add on software that allows this, if he wants to.--Filll (talk) 14:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think that those edits are put in by one of the authors -- hm, just searched on his name and this comes up [2] - this was before I brought it up on the Fringe nb and you replied, but was evidently somehow sparked by me. I'm not sure I understand it all. :-)Doug Weller (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POINTY demonstration in progress? - 66.30.77.62 (talk) 13:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there was a step missing from the nomination process for this article. I completed that for you. Regards, — BillC ^talk 22:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Appeal of commuity ban of Iantresman is a discussion about which you may care. I think you'll care because of the prior history - but as with some prior items above on this page, it may be wiser for you to refrain from participating. The decision is yours. GRBerry 14:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You agree with these personal attacks? In that case, let me take you down to Chinatown. ScienceApologist (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agree that Ian Tresman deserves a fair hearing. I am very sorry, I should have made that a lot clearer. I don't agree with the first two paragraphs. Stifle (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that this IP is clearly a sock of Iantresman. Look at the whois. Shall I file the SSP or will you? ScienceApologist (talk) 14:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave it to you. Full disclosure: I am helping him file an appeal against his community ban. Stifle (talk) 14:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have filed a notice on AE. Dlabtot (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Report closed; the diff was not that egregious and today you get a little slack given the circumstances. Please do be careful though. Some of your complaints today (related to the Arbitration filing) have proven out differently than your original assumptions/guesses. Proving that you can be civil and assume good faith when under extra stress would be a good sign. GRBerry 17:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I followed the pseudoscience categories until I found your page. I'm having some trouble on the Technical analysis article. Technical analysis is supposed to be a way of identifying patterns in stock prices that predicts the future direction of the stock (buy/sell signals). Pretty much all scientific research suggests that stock prices are pretty close to random.

It fits the 'pseudoscience' tag for me. But a writer (a vested interest) has said that calling something 'pseudoscience' is just an opinion, so I can't put the tag on. So, are there any criteria or guidlines for when this tag can be used? Regards ItosLemma (talk) 18:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technical Analysis is supported by many academic papers, although it is not generally accepted at this point. I have spoken with some profs and they tell me it is gaining. That is hearsay, and I would never put that in. I have lost count as to how many articles I've read over the years saying that random walk is just plain wrong. EMH is under attack. Calling TA fringe is absolutely wrong.

I do not get one red cent from TA. I am no longer a technical analyst. I am on the board of the Market Technicians Assocation (until the end of June). I do not get paid for that. I aim to educate those that have as yet to open their eyes that TA works. I will continue to edit in an honest manner, as I always have. And I will remove the Malkiel quote. The quote is bogus. A random generator can generate anything. That proves nothing. TA is the application of behavioral finance in the financial markets, IMO. I cannot stand down from wreckless, biased and ill-informed attacks on TA. I am an expert in the field. I have a degree in economics and mathematics. I did not believe in TA either, until I tested it myself, used it and found it worked. Sposer (talk) 19:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want this to turn into an edit war. The article is full of references to papers that debink TA, and arguments against are there. I can come up with countless papers that support it from academia, beyond the work from Lo, LeBaron and the U.S. Fed. London School of Economics, Notre Dame, and many others schools have professors that have RECENTLY written papers finding positive alpha from TA strategies. Pseudoscience is already linked in the article. It is not clearly pseudoscience. Even Nicholas Taleeb doesn't beat TA up in his book, "Fooled By Randomness". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sposer (talk • contribs) 19:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC) I have been editing the TA page and Elliott Wave for a long time. Other editors have known my background, whether pro-TA or anti-TA, and never saw a conflict in my edits. I am okay with the Elliott Wave pseudoscience categorization, because although I believe it works, there is no way I can prove it. Until I can, EW sadly fits the pseudoscience description, even if I am confident it isn't. But TA, in general works, and there's enough positive academic evidence to make such a categorization questionable at best.Sposer (talk) 19:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm fairly certain that TA is nonsense, it's probably not pseudo-science, but cargo cult economics, a different field of nonsense. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the question was: what is the definition of pseudoscience? E.g. is astrology pseudoscience, since it doesn't pretend to be a science? Is pretence to science necessary? Etc. ItosLemma (talk) 06:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have filed a request for arbitration which involves you. Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#ScienceApologist.2FJzG. John254 04:25, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm writing this as an Evangelical Christian who like James Clerk Maxwell remains in "awe of authority" [3] and believe in religious experience as described in the Bible. I've come to respect some of your contributions on wikipedia. Still, I'm curious: Are there any guru-busting edits in your past that you now regret? --Firefly322 (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This movie is coming out soon, and the Creationists are out in force whitewashing the article. I'm at 3RR, and you need to read the edits. Maybe I'm a not reading it right, but I'm seeing a lot of BS. Your help is requested.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Science Apologist. I've seen your name in many pages on Wikipedia and often agree with what you say, but just as a friendly advice, it is probably not the best idea to focus in bashing films that are scientifically suspect. Of course sometimes we see messages in movies we don't agree with. But I admit that when I saw Triumph of the Will in class, I loved it immediately. This doesn't make me a Nazi or Hitler-symphasizer. I hated Birth of a Nation not because it is racist, rather because it is unthinkably boring for my taste. Films are made to entertain and open people's eyes to the world, to exchange images and words. The post by Orangemarlin makes me curious to see the movie :P. So, I would suggest your scientific ardor to be directed somewhere other than the picturesque arena of film-making. Chimeric Glider (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um the goal is not to bash the film. The goal is not to have an article praising the film or whitewashing it. The goal is to have an article that clearly and accurately describes the film, the positive and negative reviews, the content, and the controversies around it, as we are required by NPOV. Some do not want that of course. On both sides. But that is what we are aiming for.--Filll (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article Megalithic yard was recently restored. I considered reverting, but couldn't find where the consensus discussion to merge it had taken place. Was there in fact such a discussion? --Random832 (contribs) 20:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is to inform you that I have filed a request for informal mediation on the article Remote viewing, and named you as a party. Best, ——Martin^phi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 23:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But said by someone with more sway than I: [4] Antelan^talk 02:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I noticed that while you were removing some of Reddi's pseudoscience links, you also deleted portal links such as to portal:energy. Was this a mistake, or did you have a reason for this that I'm missing? A link from unlimited energy to the energy portal doesn't seem inappropriate to me.--Srleffler (talk) 05:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I restored the portal link. While I was there, I also put in "see also" links to the two main pseudoscience articles. A "see also" link to an article on pseudoscience ideas about energy from nothing seems appropriate in an article about scientific or sci-fi conceptions of "unlimited energy". I oppose adding any pseudoscience to this article unless it is handled in a strictly NPOV way, but a "see also" link is satisfactory because one presumes those articles should themselves comply with the NPOV policy. --Srleffler (talk) 04:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on your contributions, I am sure you will want to contribute to discussion here... Talk:Telluric_current#List_of_patents SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 20:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please contribute to the discussion on this issue rather than just reverting Reddi. Discussion is more likely to resolve the issue - and I'm sure you could make a good case for not listing patents - whereas reverting will probably lead to admin involvement, blocks, and so on. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 19:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you! And, good to see you still keeping people honest even though I don't always agree with you. I've had to scale back my involvement with Wikipedia to make more time for realworld writing but I stick my head in a few times a week. The paranormal project kinda stagnated and I drifted over to trying to improve some of the new-agey type sociological articles that were filled with wackadoo claims such as Indigo children. I sure would love for you to take a peek at that mess and see if you could add some balance.

What I'd like to do is document what the propoennts believe and then add some skeptical reactions to those beleiefs but I tend to get shot down every time. Considering how widespread the belif in this is, I feel it's important to have a detailed and well-referenced article that goes through all the aspects of this new age reaction to autism and then add in the skeptical analysis. I feel this way because Wikipedia is a place where troubled parents come for info. I'd like those parents who maybe first hear about the Indigo Childrena nd the Crystal Kids (an alleged subgroup within Indigo) from Pro-Inidgo sites to come here and see that it's not a widely accepted concept and that it's mostly a unqiue marketing tool designed to fleece parents of Autistic kids.

Do you think you could take a look? I'd be so grateful if you could. There are a few other quackery & fringe articles I'm interested in that could use some help and some psychology articles as well that have just jumped into the deep end of the nonsense pool. If hard science is more your thing and you'd rather not, I'd understand. If you really want to hold your nose and dive right in,to bad fringe articles, you should look at Alien hand syndrome, Simcha Jacobovici (the so-called Naked Archeologist whos is neither an archeologist nor naked on his show!), The Lost Tomb of Jesus which is filled with faulty logic statements, Reptilian humanoid‎ which long ago stopped making any type of sense, Nordic aliens‎ and Carlos Castaneda which borders on hero-worship.

It may be that we can't even hope to help make sense of many of those, but I try when and where I can! The Castaneda article bugs me the most because I have degrees in Anthropology & Folklore and despite the fact that he was lauded by both groups of academics when he first published, he is now accepted as a fraud and a con artist by most of the same folks who celebrated his every word back then. It's hard to find a way to put that kind of information into a biography article and I've wondered if perhaps I should do a break-out article on the systems he promoted, the Folklore he claimed to have discovered and then systematically outline the debunking of the same. If you have any thoughts on this, I'd be glad to read them. As you can see, my interests in hard science tend to get trumped by my fascination with folkore and cultural shift.

I'll shut up now! I'll just say again - good to see you and good to see you're still holding articvles up to a high standard. You and I may not agree on many things but it is always helpful to have a skeptic who is willing to spend some time on the fringe topics with an eye towards improvement. LiPollis (talk) 21:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any comments or replies about my "final" third opinion at Talk:Tired light#Third opinion? Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 05:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Cross-posted to several users' talk pages)

Your participation on User:Raul654/Civil POV pushing would be appreciated. Raul654 (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 10:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please redact your comments at Talk:Tired light.[5] While frustration is understandable, such comments are sure to be construed as uncivil and it only hurts you to give in to your frustration in such a manner. Thanks for understanding! Vassyana (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Much better. Thank you! Vassyana (talk) 19:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LMAO [6]! I've been editing Wikipedia for years and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt! --Nealparr ^{(talk to me)} 20:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently you've already done talks about aspects of wikipedia? We're going to be doing skypecasts by the Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly crew now. I'm wondering if you might be interested in presenting a lecture?

It's important to show people different views and approaches to wikipedia.

--Kim Bruning (talk) 00:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see here. thanks! --Jim Butler (t) 00:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ScienceApologist.

Sorry to hear you've retired, but completely understand. I have taken up your cause in the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme discussions. I am not a scientist but feel I have enough grasp of the prinicples of reason, logic, and scientific method to be able to tell whether a particular claim is being presented fairly. If you, or any other pseudoscience fighter on Wiki wish to give me some advice, it would be welcome. As for Wiki being a social experiment, it's an experiment that is not necessary. Wiki, and the whole open source software phenomenon, are examples of anarchy in action -- and anarchy has been dicredited since, I don't know, Christ died on the cross? "Christ: an anarchist who succeeded. That's all." - Andre Malraux ermadogErmadog (talk) 08:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tit for tat???? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to Parapsychology, to use an Irish saying, there's a pair of you in it. I have warned Martinphi that he may be banned from the page if he continues to edit war, and while I can't take that action against you, I would strongly encourage both of you to discuss rather than edit war. Stifle (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following edits are not civil. Please do not continue to make uncivil edits or you are liable to be blocked under your Arbitration editing restriction.

• [7] ("Martin needs to get his head out of the sand... why can't we just get rid of him?")

  Why is this uncivil? Please explain. I think that Martin is acting like an WP:OSTRICH. I also think he needs to be kicked off this encyclopedia. ScienceApologist (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• [8] (referring to people who disagree with you as "braindead".

  I was referring to people who invent controversies to suit their fantasies about reality. I was not referring to people "who disagree with me" any more than someone who refers to bodybuilders as "behemoths". ScienceApologist (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - Stifle (talk) 07:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Levine2112 says it better than I possibly could. Stifle (talk) 17:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notwithstanding the baiting trolls acting on my talk pages, let me ask you a question, is it okay for me to advocate that certain people should be kicked off Wikipedia? Is there anything uncivil about this? ScienceApologist (talk) 17:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt Wikipedia would be more able to achieve its goal of becoming a credible and respected reference work if certain individuals were invited to apply their talents elsewhere. I won't get into the policy question of whether it's OK to advocate that, since such discussions tend to go on and on and on. As a practical matter consider whether such an action might be more readily achieved by your own adhering more strictly to Wikipedia's guidelines on civility. Getting yourself blocked while certain others remained free to press their views here would be counterproductive. Raymond Arritt (talk) 18:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strict adherence to civility policies (which themselves have been gamed and subject to attempted rewrites by certain people I think should be asked to "apply their talents elsewhere") is an interesting thought. Unfortunately, there has yet to be anyone who was able to give me an objective definition for civility that I can universally apply. I am very tired of people trying to "change" me in condescending ways (and I'm not trying to say that you are doing this, Raymond... but see the latest on WP:AE) so I've come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to follow the specific suggestions of people with regards to the civility issue and ignore those who make broad pronouncements on what I should do "generally" with my "behavior". Interestingly, most of the people making broad pronouncements about civility are also the same people who I think are the best candidates for Wikiremoval. Blocking at Wikipedia is capricious. While I have no desire to be blocked, I have little to no respect for it as a device that works to do anything other than poison the well. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is absolutely hilarious that Levine thinks that him giving SA advice is somehow helpful. It may be one of the more amusing thing's I have yet seen. But SA is not in the wrong for calling people who invent controversies as braindead. All evidence points to that. I think the bigger question is does Stifle think there is a big evolution or global warming controversy outside of the one invented by politicians and other groups. Baegis (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please refactor your recent personal attacks against me (and Nealparr) on the Parapsychology talk page? Especially, [9], [10] , [11] and please continue to refactor this till it is civil. Please also refactor this, even though it is old. ——Martin^phi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 18:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]