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It appears that Jaques has once more proven unreliable. A quick search in a library cleary indicates some facts about the specific biography: Niccolo Leonico Temoe, was born in Venice of Epirote Greek parentage and studies Greek in Florence under Demetrius Chalconcondyles..Alexikoua (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some other sources on the subject: "Niccolo Leonico Tomeo (1456-1531), born in Venice to Greek parents", "was the first professor to lecture on the Greek text of Aristotle. As a Venetian of Greek parentage, Leonico Tomeo inherited the mantle of Byzantine scholars such as Gaza"Alexikoua (talk) 15:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand Jaques' work can only be used in the field of science fiction. A typical quote of this book makes it clear that not a single word bears any connection to real history, in p. 92: "Apparently most of the leadership and most of the soldiery involved in this Asia expedition (Alexander's campaign) were Pelasgian or Albanian."Alexikoua (talk) 15:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, sources published by an old totalitarian regime, especially a N.Korean equivalent, are far from being considered wp:rs. All we have based on neutral bibliography agrees that he was born in Venice.Alexikoua (talk) 17:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless disruption is still in full motion, perhaps this talkpage isn't enough to settle this obvious issue.Alexikoua (talk) 13:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Runciman, one of the most credible experts on the subject gives some information about Greek contribution to the Renaissance, in [[1]], p. 212:

The University of Padua was one of the first to encourage the study of Greek; and Greeks who could lecture on Greek texts were especially welcome. A Chair of Greek was dounded there in 1463 and given to the Athenian Demetrius Chalcondylas. One of his successors, Nicholas Laonicus Thomaeus, an Epirot by birth, gave in 1497 a course of lectures on Aristotle, unsing only the Greek text and a few Alexandrian commentaries.Alexikoua (talk) 13:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

albanian propaganda was removed from the entry, because it's 100% incompatible with reality & the principles of this encyclopedia (WP:V, WP:RS). all sources written by real historical experts describe Thomaeus as a Venetian scholar of Greek origin (Jacques & 'scholars' from the Hoxha era are very unreliable sources). so as to preserve this encyclopedia's credibility, please keep pseudo-history & pseudo-science out of this entry. thanks. 100.1.14.113 (talk) 21:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be more precise: widely established international scholarship tend to disagree with what was written inside Albania during the People's Republic regime. There is no doubt that experts like Runciman are quite careful when choosing their citations.Alexikoua (talk) 21:30, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the first time you consider the Albanian scholars as unreliable,while you use greek politicans as references.Also there is Jacque.Note that these all are references,you can't delete them only because you think that they are fabricated by communist Albania.Also you deleted many other informations that haven't been edited by me,only to add the information you like.There are two hypothesis about the origin of Thomaeus ,but you want to see only the greek one there.Rolandi+ (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see any Greek source in this article. Can you be more precise?Alexikoua (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You also need to learn some basic rules in English: Greek is written with the first letter in caps, just like Albanian.Alexikoua (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't refer as greek politicans to the references at this article ,but to references you have used at many articles,such as Souliotes.Rolandi+ (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You can make comments in the correspondent talkpages. I'm happy we reached an agreement that this article has not Greek sources at all.Alexikoua (talk) 18:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't mean you can vandalize wikipedia.Add the albanian hypothesis. Rolandi+ (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At this stage, do not add the "Albanian hypothesis". The most reliable revision is the current one. The removed references are Albanian and have the subject of "History of Albania/ns" and mention him only in passing, along with other Venetian people claimed to have been of Albanian origin; the reliable revision uses international sources with the subject of art and philosophy of that era. Also, Rolandi+ seems to misunderstand the definition of vandalization.--Zoupan 20:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And Jacque?You use serb scholars as references at albanian nobility pages...also go and read the books that I have used as references and then come and talk about them.Rolandi+ (talk) 08:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to Elsie's review on this work: "The critical reader and the serious student of Albanian history must, however, be warned to use this book only in conjunction with a more cautious and scholarly monograph on the subject, [[2]]. This makes it non-wp:rs. Claims such as Albanian participation in Trojan War or in Alexander's campaign are hard to be historically accurate. The same occurs with the rest of the content which can't be verified by more cautious and scholarly works on the subject, as Elsie points.Alexikoua (talk) 13:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly,Elsie's claim doesn't mean that Jasque isn't reliable.Many scholars claim such thing about others' work.Also note that there are albanian scholars.Also you deleted infos that were not based on these references.You did this without concensus. We can't find a concensus yet,so until there ,our recent edits will be reverted to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015.Rolandi+ (talk) 14:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Elsie is quite precise be warned to use this book only in conjunction with a more cautious and scholarly monograph on the subject, as for the works published during the People's Republic period the issue has been addressed in the wp:ani case, which is still active.Alexikoua (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also your edits have been addressed in the wp:ani case, which is still active.So everything is OK.Now there is consesnus between us to revert to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015.Thank you. Rolandi+ (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That says he was Albanian -born,but I think that the the right version is Venetian born.Rolandi+ (talk) 16:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What consensus? What are you talking about? You just removed most of the article, leaving in only the highly unreliable and partisan Edwin Jacques. This is outrageous. There is no consensus for this, not one user supports this. Athenean (talk) 18:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]