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June 13

Dear All, We have created content three months back for education university and waiting for live content for user information, please suggest anyone and help us to get it live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mangalayatan_University_Jabalpur

Regards, Rajesh Kumar Rajesh Kumar Noida (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rajesh Kumar Noida the draft was never submitted. I've added the submission template for you, please be patient, as there are over 3000 drafts pending review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: Draft has been reviewed and declined for failing to establish wikinotability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone. It has come to my attention that over half a million books were recently made unavailable for borrowing from the Internet Archive's lending library. I wanted to ask if there's some way we can find out which Wikipedia articles were affected by this (i.e. in which articles we link to now-unavailable books), but I'm not sure which noticeboard to raise this. Could someone here direct me to the best place I can ask about this? Cheers. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we are citing the actual book, not the IA version of that book. If the link is dead, it should be marked as such, but it doesn't make the ref invalid. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information, but that's not what I was asking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe WP:ELN? DMacks (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, if it's possible could someone have a quick peek here and see if they can spot why the tables that used to be sortable in both columns are now only sortable in one? I've spent a while tweaking headers, etc, and checking for hanging braces, etc., but nothing jumps out. Any help would be appreciated! ——Serial Number 54129 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can you actually sort by icon? You might need to define what the sorting means in the cell. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Serial Number 54129: Please clarify which columns you mean and what you mean by not sortable. I see sort buttons in all columns. The first table has two columns and the second has three. Images are ignored in sorting so all cells in the icon columns sort as blank cells, meaning they sort identically so sorting has no effect. Same for the empty Date column in the second table. You can use Help:Sortable tables#Specifying a sort key for a cell if you want the icon column to sort differently. I think images once sorted by file name but that's long ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski and PrimeHunter: Thanks both. It's shame; a while ago I was able to sort so the icons grouped together (nice and easy to identify what needed/didn't need work), but somehow that stopped—I assumed I broke something!—like I said, and now it only treats them as empty cells? I'm afraid the Help link was a bit opaque for me  :( ——Serial Number 54129 11:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you could do is do a search and replace and put something like |data-sort-value="Good article"|{{icon|GA}} or similar. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have used regex to use the first icon parameter as data-sort-value.[1]. Just revert if you don't like it. If you want sorting by the second icon when the first icon is the same then you have to include that in data-sort-value. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter: Fantastic, that seems to have done the job. Thanks for going to that trouble. The cool thing is, is that it does what it did (mainly distinguish at a glance between f&g); the odd thing is all that code it now needs. *scratchchin* anyways, not complaining! Thanks both again! Great work! ——Serial Number 54129 13:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Serial Number 54129: I can understand why the change was made. An image is often followed by text, e.g. a flag icon followed by a country name. It makes sense to ignore the file name in such cases. I used regex but it can be hard to learn. The source editor has a search and replace feature which allows regex. I replaced (\|)( *\{\{icon\|)(\w*)(\}\}) with $1data-sort-value="$3" |$2$3$4. I realize that's complete gibberish if you don't know regex. It took a few tries to get right but then everything was replaced at once. Maybe we should have a help page where users can request help to make systematic regex changes to wikitext. We do have Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks which often involves regex changes but it's for help with editing multiple pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to pick up regex for years and always just end up going back to the online tip sheets. A board that helped with that sort of stuff would be good, although arguably that is WP:VPT. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VPT is sometimes used by posters who know some regex and need the right details. I imagined a page where you can also go with no regex knowledge and get somebody to just make a large edit for you without posting or explaining the regex. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:HD is a pretty good place for one-off "I'm trying to make this complex edit to a table, someone help!" requests. DMacks (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to create a disambiguation page for Alliance University. Alliance University currently links to a college in India but there is a Alliance University (New York City) as well. What's the least disruptive way to create this new disambiguation page? ChaosAkita (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, Alliance University is the college in India (not just "links to..."). My original thought is just to add a hatnote to that article ({{This}} or {{For}}), following WP:TWODAB. But there is also Allianze University College of Medical Sciences that is sound-alike even though different spelling, so a real disambiguation page makes more sense. The easiest way to start is by creating it at Alliance University (disambiguation) (see MOS:DAB for how to format it), and add a hatnote to [Alliance University]] about it. Then, if you like, start a discussion about moving the DAB page to the main name and moving the India college article to Alliance University (India) or a similar name. I am not sure that is necessary, since only the one in India currently exists, so it is probably the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. DMacks (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great points! I added a hat note. ChaosAkita (talk) 18:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help! You can ignore the weird notes in the edit-history of your edit here...they are for an issue unrelated to you. DMacks (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otago Univesity is just a typo of Otago University. Dollasdal (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo redirect are allowed to exist, see Template:R from misspelling. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But IMO it should be deleted under WP:R3. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed and  Done. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The long standing redirect Almost Legal was converted into an article about a wholly different topic on 10 June. I reverted and it was reverted back by its new author. It has subsequenytly been draftified by User:Rosguill as not ready for manispace and Rosguill has recreated a new redirect to match the original. My issues are that the new redirect has lost of of its history and attributionof vcontent and the original hijack seemed aimed at avoiding AFC or review. I feel that the whole situation should be reset back to the state on 9 June to preserve the history but would welcome comments . Thanks  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   19:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like the history was split between the two pages, I can see the redirect's history going back to 2011, while the draft only shows history from the last ten days. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My perspective is that the film is due to release next month, and there is a fair chance that this will generate further coverage. Rather than having a premature AfD that would likely become moot soon (or at least need to be reevaluated), draftification seemed more appropriate. As for the history, it seems that the Wikipedia software was smart enough (or lucky enough?) to split the prior redirect history back onto the redirect and to keep only the history of the new article on the draft. As far as motive, I don't see a reason to assume bad faith behind the original "hijacking"--Almost Legal is the title of the film, and if found to be notable Almost Legal is where it should go, and it would be fine to overwrite a redirect to a non-notable film by the same name in order to create the article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I was clearly on the wrong page and thanks to Rosguill for fixing that appropiately. However, my other concern was how we deal with apparent, intentional or unintenional, redirect hijacks that seem to circumvent review. I couldn't find any policy on this. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   19:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already answered in an edit conflict. Thanks  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   19:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they don't really circumvent review: new articles added by creating a page at a pre-existing redirect get added to the new new pages queue for review, which is in fact how I found the page in the first place. They do circumvent the software lock that prevents non-autoconfirmed editors from creating a new page in mainspace, but this causes relatively minimal disruption in the grand scheme of things. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I merged the history back, in any event. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In reference to a recent incomplete thread starter on my talk page, which 1) came from an IP; 2) went absolutely nowhere beyond one word; and 3) I was rightfully obliged to remove minutes ago. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You already reverted it, which I don't think anyone would disagree with. You should be able to click "mark as read" in your notification settings, or click on the actual notification. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but how do I remove it from Special:Notifications entirely? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you can do that, unless maybe you disabled talk page notifications in your preferences. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created a CSS subpage under my user page. How can I delete it? Tsavage (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tag it with /*{{db-u1}}*/. Even though the template doesn't render the admins can still see it. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. I wasn't sure about the rendering/code error part. Thanks. Tsavage (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to adjust when the ToC sidebar is automatically hidden, ie no longer fixed, instead a floating dropdown menu from a hamburger-type icon? Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 20:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a button that says "hide" next to "Contents", assuming your interface is the same as mine after the apparent changes today. Perception312 (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, apparent changes. The sidebar disappeared earlier today, only an icon and pulldown menu with no "hide" or "move to sidebar" buttons. But now they're back, and I didn't even restart my browser. All's well that ends well. Thanks! -Tsavage (talk) 01:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

Why are the maps here showing place names in Manhattan in the Serbian language? I am in the United States and have zero connection to Serbia. I believe the problem is not on my end. Every browser on every device connected to different ISPs I've checked this on exhibit the same behavior. Here is a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/UqRqbzl.png Themetron (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This question has been asked repeatedly; most recently above. And congratulations: now you (and many others) do have a connection to Serbia. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really do not like the new spectacles / size. Previously, I customised my Wiki pages to exactly what I needed with my eyesight, using the ctl + / ctrl - keys. Those gave me considerable flexibility.

Now, with the spectacles, I have 3 and only 3 choices, because if I try to use ctl + or ctrl -, the spectacles revert the change or format the page incorrectly (eg expanding it so that I have to move the page back and forth, left to right, to get the whole page.

If the spectacles were meant to improve accessibility, they failed miserably, by forcing 3 and only 3 choices on us. I want to turn them off. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you mean here by "spectacles", but imagine that it's some icon thereof. I don't see them. Ctrl + and Ctrl - in Firefox on my computer increase and decrease font size respectively, exactly as they did a day, a week, a year ago. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're at the top of every page I open. There's the top row: the search box, my user name, the spectacles, and then the alert bell. Click on the spectacles and I get a drop down menu with 3 and only 3 sizes. Since it was installed, I can't get the size of the display the way I want it, with the page too wide for my screen so I have to move it back and forth. The "small", "standard" and "large" options don't respond to my needs. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's specific to Vector 2022 and was just added recently, if that helps. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to get rid of it? What is Vector 2022? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vector 2022 is the new layout for Wikipedia. There doesn't seem to be a way to turn it off in User Preference, so you might need to switch to other configure skin in "Appearance" part of your User Preference. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. What is “configure skin”, please? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The skin selection is at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Vector legacy is the previous default. The appearance menu on the spectacles in Vector 2022 doesn't interfere with Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- for me in Firefox. What is your browser? You can hide the spectacles icon from display with this in your CSS:

.vector-appearance-landmark {display:none;}

However, the code is still sent to your browser and I don't know whether it will stop the interference you mention. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I find that leaving the options from the dropdown menu under as small text size and standard width gets it pretty close to what it was before. Haven't noticed any infoboxes or side elements breaking yet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ctrl + and Ctrl - (zoom in, zoom out) are a function of the browser, not part of Wikipedia. I use Vector 2022 and have the spectacles, and the browser zoom still works the same way. (I use Chrome, but Edge and other browsers have similar functionality). -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the infobox format changes? The {{infobox}} on my sandbox has reduced to minimum width, and {{Infobox locomotive}} is showing a blank margin to the left (eg GWR 2900 Class). Other infoboxes seem unchanged, though I've only checked a few. (I'm running Chrome on Linux, in case that's an issue.) Noticed yesterday. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 10:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just seen Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes. Thursday, of course. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 10:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After reading MOS:NATIONALITY and the article Miki Yamanaka, do you think the lead sentence of that article should describe her as

1. Japanese (status quo)
2. Japanese and American
3. American

Cheers, Mach61 11:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would stick with 1. The article (or any other source I've found in a brief websearch) says nothing about her adopting US citizenship, and implies (confirmed by this source) that she moved to the US as an adult. Most sources found in a cursory search refer to her as 'Japanese-borne' / 'from Japan' and 'based in New York' or similar; none that she is (or considers herself) American or Japanese-American. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 13:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the cannoli page, the singulars and plurals aren't always written in English (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cannoli&diff=prev&oldid=1229017430; it was written "are"); I'm not a native English speaker (in Italy "cannoli" is plural). JacktheBrown (talk) 11:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When referring to the dish in the abstract, singular 'is' etc. is appropriate; if referring to multiple examples, 'are' is appropriate: the article uses both because it is using both senses. I agree this can look odd, but English is not constructed by logic.

Pluralising all mentions to plural (e.g. changing "Cannoli is . . . a Sicilian pastry" to "Cannoli are . . . Sicilian pastries") would remove the anomaly acceptably. So would replacing all instances of "They . . . are" to "Cannoli . . . is".

Because of its hybrid origins (several semi-creolised Germanic languages modified by heavy Norman-French and Latin influences and a subtle Celtic substrate), English often has many different ways, with different implications, of saying broadly the same thing, and is rich with technically ungrammatical idioms that sound correct to a native ear, and grammatical constructs that are 'correct' but sound wrong: achieving stylistic consistency is perhaps the greatest challenge of writing it well. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there!

I've been working on the postmodernism article, and I'm having a hard time getting the navbox to display properly at the bottom of the page. It used to be off to the side near the top—but it's not actually very useful or informative, so I want to preserve it just at the bottom for readers who seek these things out.

I'm afraid to edit the template, however, lest I mess up other articles where it is placed on the side.

Any advice on how to fix this or where to look for an explainer?

Many thanks! Patrick (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template in question, {{Postmodernism}}, is not a navbox template but a sidebar template, so it's not designed to fit where you want to put it. I'm not seeing any navbox templates for that topic currently, so if you wanted one you'd have to create it. I'd recomend using a similar existing navbox, like {{Modernism}} as a reference, and you can read WP:NAV for more information on when and how to use them. WelpThatWorked (talk) 17:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that makes sense then. Glad I didn't try to "fix" the existing template.

Cheers, Patrick (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wikipedia Support Team,

I hope this message finds you well, I am an agent working in an gov administration. I am writing to seek your assistance regarding the creation of a Wikipedia page for our president.

Following instructions from our main president, I attempted to integrate a Wikipedia page using information that is readily available on our official website. However, the page was deleted shortly after its creation. I would like to understand the reasons for the deletion and how to ensure compliance with Wikipedia’s guidelines so that we can successfully create and maintain this page.

Here is informations we intend to include in the biography:

- **Name** - **Personal Information** - **Professional Experience** - **Academic and Professional Qualifications** - **Publications and Contributions**

I believe that the president extensive career and contributions to the judicial and administrative fields establish his notability, and we aim to present this information in a neutral and verifiable manner.

Could you please provide guidance on the following:

1. The specific reasons for the previous deletion. 2. Any additional steps we need to take to meet Wikipedia’s notability and verifiability standards. 3. Best practices for drafting and submitting the page to ensure it aligns with Wikipedia’s content policies.

Thank you for your time and assistance. We are eager to contribute valuable information to Wikipedia and look forward to your guidance on how to proceed correctly.

Best regards, Institution du Médiateur du Royaume du Maroc (talk) 17:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

I'm afraid that, like many people, you (and your organisation) have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

It is not for anybody to tell the world about themselves. It is an encyclopaedia, where articles consist of summaries of what independent sources have published about a subject: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Please read WP:BOSS, which answers several of your questions.

Please note that you must change your user name (or abandon that one and create a new one): Wikipedia user accounts are for individuals, and may not be shared, or have names which suggest that they are being shared; also, names which suggest that they are editing on behalf of an organisation are forbidden.

You must also make a formal declaration (preferably on the user page of that account) of your status as a paid editor. ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note: There is an article on French Wikipedia relating to the Institution du médiateur du Royaume. It would need significant rewriting to be acceptable here however. Reconrabbit 18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. The mostly likely reason for the article's deletion is copyright violation, as articles on Wikipedia should not be copied from elsewhere. It might also be deleted for being promotional, as your organization's website is incentivized to present your president in a favorable light, which runs counter to the purpose of Wikipedia.

2. The relevant guidelines are WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Essentially, you should make sure that there are several indepth coverage about your president from sources that are reliable and independent from them. Note that these cited sources shouldn't be routine coverage, so things like announcements about product launches or personnel change are not sufficient to demonstrate notability.

3. The first and only step for you to draft an article about your organization's president is: Don't. Wikipedia articles are expected to be objective, and it's difficult to remain neutral when you are writing about your own boss. The best practice would be to gather enough sources that proves your president passes the aforementioned guidelines, and make a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biographies/Political figures or Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography/By nationality#France. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not finding anything visible to non-admins which indicates that any article on the president of this organization (Mohamed Benalilou) has been attempted on en-wiki, but it appears that there have been at least on French Wikipedia, the most recent being today for reasons being generally equivalent to an A7 here. --Finngall ^talk 18:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no deleted article from this account, which has been soft-blocked Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to start a draft about Brunel University London's lecture theatre, as I've found multiple sources about it, but I'm not sure what to title the article. The building listing at Historic England calls it "Lecture Theatre Block, Brunel University", this article calls it "Brunel University Lecture Theatre", this article calls it "Lecture theatre, Brunel University", and this article calls it "Brunel University Lecture centre". My first instinct was to call the article "Brunel University Lecture Theatre", but I'm not sure if "lecture theatre" should be capitalised or not. Any ideas? Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 18:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If "lecture theatre" is capitalized in the cited sources, it should be capitalized in the article name as well. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's the problem - some do, some don't. The latter two links don't capitalise the full name (I'm pretty sure the capital L on the last one is a typo), while the first two do. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 18:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:CAPS advises us to only capitalize terms that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of RS, so if sources are divided on whether to capitalize "lecture theatre" or not, it's probably best to default to lowercase. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thank you! Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 18:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to see if Wikipedia could help me find monies my Father left me some 69 years ago, I only know the Dates of my Fathers Birth/Death, (1904/1955) I am dismayed by the Banks cannot find his Account. The records of 1955 should show his Bank Account numbers, but they seem reluctant to search for his account. They offer no advice to seek the funds. with Interest add over some 800 odd months it should be worth seeking. Jamiesonandy (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamiesonandy: We can only help with editing or otherwise using the site as an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a question

where is your answer Jamiesonandy (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is totally beyond the scope of the Help desk, it relates only to Wikipedia.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is really no need for the rude tone, or to duplicate questions across the Helpdesk and Teahouse. I'd like to if you're here to help build an encylopedia, or just to ask questions about dormant bank accounts? If it's the latter then you're in the wrong place. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now I want to post a situation that i need help with, how do I post a question for the wikipedia readers Jamiesonandy (talk) 18:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamiesonandy: As I and others have stated above, this goes beyond the scope of any help desk on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your account is one month old, and all of your edits are just questions on Teahouse or Help Desk about things irrelevant to Wikipedia. Please stop, or your editing privilege might get suspended. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry this might be a weird question, but I noticed the Infobox design for films/tv looked different last night, but now looks the same. Will the design be coming back? Interestingedits (talk) 19:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Friday message from the Web team (and all its preceding sections). Basically, a big Ooops! -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Courtesy link: Hall Green

All I want to do is flag some vandalism but I can't log in, I can't set up a new account, I can't request a password, it's abysmal. 2003:C7:774C:C54E:959C:3BA8:E6A2:F1C1 (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to the edit that called the area Pakistani, I've reverted it. As for the questions about your account, Wikipedia can't send you your password, you can only reset password with the email address associated with your account. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I constructed and submitted a new article to Wikipedia in early March 2024 via the Articles of Creation process. The page is "Joseph Mougous" and has the url Joseph Mougous. The article was apparently accepted as an mainspace article on March 9th by Wikipedia user Ldm1954 with the following revision note: Ldm1954 moved page Draft:Joseph Mougous to Joseph Mougous: Publishing accepted Articles for creation submission (AFCH). I am inquiring about why this page has not yet been indexed by Google, as I cannot determine a reason that the page should not yet be indexed at this point. There does not appear to be a NOINDEX tag in the article and the typical 90-day indexing waiting period should have had the page indexed 1 week ago on June 7th. Can someone please check on this issue and help me understand 1) why the article is not yet indexed and discoverable via Google, and 2) what, if any, remaining tasks need to be completed in order for the article to be indexed and discoverable by Google search?

i sincerely appreciate your time and efforts,

Adiantumprime Adiantumprime (talk) 23:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adiantumprime: The article allows indexing now. We don't control when Google or other external search engines actually index it. As far as I know, we don't contact Google to say that noindex has been removed from a page. They have to revisit the page on their own to discover it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just searched for Joseph Mougous on Google, and the Wikipedia article came up as the seventh result. Deor (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't indexed by Google when I posted at 00:16. After my post it was edited for the first time since March. It's possible Google monitors our edits and will often revisit a page after an edit but I don't know. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

Hello. I'm trying to cite the Reallexikon der Germanischen Altertumskunde (vol. 1, pub. 1973) using the cite book template. The ISBN, as given in the book, is 3-11-00489-7. As this is only nine numbers long, the template won't accept it. What do I do? Zacwill (talk) 00:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Despite being labeled "ISBN" on the title page, it seems that that number is a 9-digit "SBN" rather than a 10- or 13-digit ISBN. The ISBN format was created in 1967 and your book was published in 1968, so it seems plausible that it's still using an SBN. See our article ISBN for more information about the difference between an SBN and an ISBN. The article says "An SBN may be converted to an ISBN by prefixing the digit "0"." So the ISBN for this book would be 0-311-00489-7. CodeTalker (talk) 01:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. If I try inputting that into Special:BookSources or other ISBN search engines, I get an error message ("invalid ISBN"). Zacwill (talk) 01:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zacwill: According to the docs at {{Cite book}} you should use the "sbn" pararmeter instead of isbn when there is only 9 digits. RudolfRed (talk) 01:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The SBN parameter doesn't like it either: it tells me there's a "checksum" error. Zacwill (talk) 01:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could there have been an error when the book was printed? Try ISBN 3-11-004489-7. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right. As given elsewhere, the ISBN includes an additional 4. Thanks for your help. Zacwill (talk) 01:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Compound question:

1. Is there a name for the infoboxes that collect and organize articles related to a particular subject (as in Criminal law)?
2. What's the usual practice for using these boxes, for example, should they be placed in every article that they list?
3. Is there a style guide page discussing them?

Thanks! -Tsavage (talk) 02:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infoboxes are for showing important information of an article, the type of template that you're referring to might be sidebars or navigation boxes like Template:Elections in Arizona sidebar or Template:Ash'arism. The associated guidelines are WP:NAVBOX and WP:NAV, and the wording in WP:BIDI part seem to encourage the inclusion of the navbox on every article it links for better navigation. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 03:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. I think it is called a "sidebar template" based on the category name of Category:Crime sidebar templates.
2. Not every article. It will just depend what editors think is the best fit. For example for {{Criminal law}} some articles use it and and others do not.
3. I am not sure of. Is there a particular page you are asking about?

RudolfRed (talk) 03:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you look up the external links of former IOC Member Vitaly Smirnov of Russia in the Olympic profile and make corrections? 108.21.67.83 (talk) 04:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the article: Vitali_Smirnov

You don't say which external links are having problems or what the problems are. It is not uncommon for links to have problems over time. See WP:LINKROT RudolfRed (talk) 04:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to edit the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwahig_Prison_and_Penal_Farm but I don't know where to put it. Would it be "in popular culture"? Here's what I want to add: Stephen L. Moore's book "As Good as Dead" describes how some American POWs escaped a Japanese prison on the main island of Palawan and made their way to the Iwahig prison. Inmates there assisted them back to their unit in Brookes Point, Palawan. Joninpalawan (talk) 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends, if the event Moore described actually happened, and details about it (personal names, place names, dates, etc.) can be provided for verification, then it could go on the "History" section. If the event is a work of fiction, then it could go on "In popular culture", assuming that the book does fit the "popular" part by passing WP:NBOOK. In either situation, it is strongly recommended to provide reliable secondary source for the claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 11:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good DAY ALL. HOW LOG DOES IT TAKE TO ACCEPT MY WIKIPEDIA, PROFILE ? COULD YOU PLEASE ASSIST.

THANKS A LOT HTASSO (talk) 05:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as a "Wikipedia profile." It appears you have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself, at User:Humberto Tasso Painter/sandbox. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Notable people who have edited Wikipedia). --Orange Mike | Talk 06:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which template if such template exists could be used to add or subtract two ages together?

For example:

Example #1 If I input {{age|1982|1|1}} → 42

Example #2 And then input {{age|1982|1|1|1992|3|3}} → 10

Is there a way I can add or subtract the result of those two numbers together? With the understanding that the age in the first example will always be increasing yearly and I don't want to have to manually update the sum of those two examples every year? Does such template exist?

Hope I explained that well (basically I want to add 42 to 10 but the number 42 will go up by one every year and when it does I want 10 to be added to 43 automatically without me having to manually change anything. Hope that makes sense).

Thanks. Inexpiable (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What context do you need to use this in? If you want to have just a fixed offset, you can just subtract 10 years from the reference date, E.G. 52 -> 52, but I feel like knowing the context might shed light on a better solution. WelpThatWorked (talk) 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WelpThatWorked: I want to create a table that shows current age, age at specific date, and then the current age minus the age at specific date (in other words the age difference). Inexpiable (talk) 17:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WelpThatWorked: kind of like this to give you an example and using the example I used above:

Current Age	Age on March 3, 1992	Age difference
42	10	(What do I put here to generate the number I'm after)

Inexpiable (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, so you can rephrase this as just "time since the specified date", since the specified date isn't changing. In this case you'd use {{age|1992|3|3}}, because that's the day you're measuring from. . WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WelpThatWorked: This doesn't work. With the example above, the "current age" will change to 43 on January 1, 2025. But the age difference will not update until March 3, 2025. I don't want to reword age difference to "time since the specified date". Inexpiable (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable: It sounds like you want to compute the ages as an integer and then subtract the integers. You don't need a template to compute on integers. You can use mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##expr for the subtraction. {{#expr:{{age|1982|1|1|format=raw}}-{{age|1982|1|1|1992|3|3|format=raw}}}} produces 32. format=raw gives a plain number which can be used in calculations. Without it there may be something non-displayed. See Module:Age#Parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks it works! Inexpiable (talk) 07:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I m so confused about this as not techy. I was adding some true story to Shreveport and got message questionable.  Can I tell a true experience about Shreveport? There is so much I dont understand here but need to add true story Innocent Mom (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Wikipedia is not a place for people to merely tell about something; do you have an independent reliable source that supports the information you wish to add to Shreveport, Louisiana? What was the message that you saw when you attempted to do so? 331dot (talk) 18:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Innocent Mom: Anything you add needs to be from a published reliable source and not based on your personal memories or experience. Also, WP:BRD might apply. You boldly added something, another editor reverted it, next step is to discuss on the the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uodate to add: I don;t see any other edits in your contribution history. Please clarify what you were trying to add, what article it is, and what error you saw. RudolfRed (talk) 18:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Innocent Mom: The filter log [3] shows you hit six different filters on the same edit. I haven't seen that before. Your edit was completely inappropriate for Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia based on published reliable sources, not a place to tell the World about your personal experiences. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I received a warning that two Draft pages I created will be deleted due to lack of activity so I would like to move them both into my file tree, to await further work. I tried moving one of them (Draft:Emily Kark) but the move went wrong. The two pages are:

• User:Emily Kark

• Draft:Sidney Kark

Please help me move them to "User:Misha Wolf/...".

Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Misha Wolf: I have moved them to User:Misha Wolf/Emily Kark and User:Misha Wolf/Sidney Kark. You have to include your username to move pages to your userspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter, please could you also help me by moving Draft:Community oriented primary care to "User:Misha Wolf/Community oriented primary care" (for the same reason). I'm not doing it myself as the Move tab doesn't appear to allow one to specify an arbitrary path. It seems to offer a limited list of options. That's why I ended up going wrong with the Emily Kark page. Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Misha Wolf: You better learn it some time. There are two fields under "New title". The first can only select the namespace, e.g. "User". The second is the part after the namespace. It's prefilled with the old name but can be changed to anything. The page you are moving was fixed when you clicked "Move" and is not controlled by that field. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did the last one. I selected user and put "Misha Wolf/Community oriented primary care" as the new name. It is confusing. TSventon (talk) 23:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

Please place the Wilton crest INSIDE at the top of the info box - where (like other peerage pages) it belongs. I have tried but cannot do this. Thank you 2001:4479:6903:5A00:C5B8:D45F:EF7F:C0C6 (talk) 00:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done It goes at the image parameter of the infobox, and the square brackets and "File:" before the name are removed. —C.Fred (talk) 00:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This says that in the lead sentence of an article, the boldface reiteration of the article's title that mostly begins the first sentence - for example, as in "Sarde in saor are an appetizer etc" in the article titled "Sarde in saor" - should not contain any links. Can someone confirm that this includes foreign-language links such as {{lang-it|...}}? Sarde in saor doesn't do this, but cf for example Colatura di alici, which does. Before I take this further I want to double-check that linking in this way is wrong. Thanks, Ingratis (talk) 11:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOLDAVOID suggests not linking when bolding. I tend to keep that true for all prose, and only allow bold links within templates. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's how I understand it too but for dealing with argumentative editors it would be useful if it were more clearly spelt out. I'll raise it at the guideline talk page. Thanks, Ingratis (talk) 12:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you create an article about a new political candidate? Jimbaba (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimbaba. You would need to establish the person's Wikipedia:Notability for an article to be written about them, and simply being a candidate for political office is almost always insufficient for doing that. You'll find some more information about this is Wikipedia:Notability (people) (in particular the section tiled "Politicians and judges"). A lack of Wikipedia notability is pretty impossible to WP:OVERCOME regardless who's trying; so, you should try to honestly self-assess this person's Wikipedia notability before proceeding further. If they're not Wikipedia notable, it will matter not how much time and effort you would have spent creating the article if it ends up being tagged, proposed or nominated for deletion.

Some other things you should consider. If you're connected to the candidate in some personal or professional way (i.e. a more than casual way), you probably should take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure to see whether they might apply to you. You should also take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. While Wikipedia might seem like a great way for a candidate to promote themselves or make themselves better known to the outside world, a Wikipedia article is written about a subject, not on behalf of a subject. If it turns out that an article can be written about this person, they will have zero editorial control over it, and neither they nor anyone else will be able to use it as a means to promote the candidate or their positions. Basically, all content (positive or negative) will be assessed in terms of relevant Wikipedia policies and guideline and will need to be based primarily on what secondary and independent reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) are saying about the candidate. Any attempts to deviate from a neutral point of view and encyclopedic tone will almost certainly (perhaps rather quickly) be undone; moreover, any attempts to add content which can't be properly verified through citations to reliable sources will also be undone, particularly with respect to content about living persons.

If after readiing all of the above, you still wish to push on, I strongly suggest that you use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to create a draft which you can submit for review when you think it's ready. You might want to take a look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general information on how to write an article and how to add properly formatted citations to it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone, I'm new to editing Wikipedia and want to make sure I'm adding references correctly to my articles. What is the best way to cite sources and add references to ensure they meet Wikipedia's guidelines? Are there any tools or templates that can help streamline this process? Thanks for your assistance! Sarmadabbas1122 (talk) 12:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarmadabbas1122 Hi! From your question, it sounds like you've read reliable sources and understand what a good source is, and you're just looking for technical advice on adding sources to articles. Let me know if I have misread your question.

• If you are using VisualEditor, there is a citation tool in the toolbar. In many cases, it will automatically generate a reference when you give it the URL of an online source. (Sometimes it can't parse the source, and you have to do it manually, but VisualEditor makes it easier, in some ways, to deal with the templates I mention below.)
• If you aren't using VisualEditor, or for certain tricky circumstances, you'll need to enter the Wiki markup code for the reference manually. Start by opening a <ref> tag. Inside of the pair of ref tags, you'll use a template for the type of source, such as {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, or {{cite web}}. As a hypothetical example:

  Twenty people were saved when Superman stopped a speeding train from falling off a destroyed bridge.<ref>{{cite news | last=Olson | first=Jimmy | title=Superman stops runaway train, saves 20 | work=Daily Planet | date=June 15, 2024 | url=https://www.dailyplanet.fakeurl/superman-stops-runaway-train-saves-20.html}}</ref>

Help:References has more information on formatting, and if you have questions on a specific source you're trying to add, you can ask here or in the talk page of the related article/draft. You can also leave me a message at User talk:C.Fred; I'll be glad to reply to you there. —C.Fred (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominick_Dunne

In the Final Years and Tribute section for Dominick Dunne, there is a timeline discrepancy. It states that "On September 22, 2008, Dunne complained of intense pain, and was taken by ambulance to Valley Hospital. He died on August 26, 2008."

How does one go to the hospital on September 22, 2008 when they died on August 26, 2008?

Please fix this for Mr. Dominick Dunne's page. He was my favorite Vanity Fair/True Crime writer.

In September 2008, Dunne disclosed that he was being treated for bladder cancer. At the time of his death, he was working on Too Much Money. On September 22, 2008, Dunne complained of intense pain, and was taken by ambulance to Valley Hospital. He died on August 26, 2009, at his home in Manhattan and was buried at Cove Cemetery, in the shadow of Gillette Castle in Hadlyme, Connecticut. 2601:14D:4E82:2850:AE38:7465:CBE0:15B9 (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please raise your concerns at the article's Talk page, where other edits interested in the subject can weigh in. DonIago (talk) 15:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Spaghetti all'assassina is similar in preparation to pasta risottata (Italian: [ˈpasta rizotˈtaːta])"; we absolutely don't pronounce it like this, not with "z"; I hope that other pronunciations don't have similar errors, otherwise I will have to eliminate many of them. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: Can you please discuss this at the relevant article talk page? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tenryuu: done: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spaghetti_all%27assassina&diff=prev&oldid=1229385286. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to remove my account 41.122.9.149 (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You made this comment as an unregistered editor, so there's no account to remove. If you edited while logged out, note that for technical reasons accounts can't be removed; just abandon it if you don't wish to use it anymore. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following closure request was made over one month ago. Is there any way to expedite this? --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page of closure requests would be my first choice. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I tried (for the first time) to edit this page. Unfortunately, I got hit with the

"As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges."

I admit, I created this account just for this edit, because a couple of years back, on my old account, I couldn't edit anything on fr Wikipedia due to some weird error (I don't remember which one exactly, something due to IP).
What do I have to do to be able to edit?
Thanks in advance. Alpiiiiiine (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what was the name of your previous account? AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s this one ! Erwan789 (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ping @AndyTheGrump:. TSventon (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see any obvious reason why editing should be blocked under either account. A bit of searching shows that the message is from MediaWiki:Actionthrottledtext. There have been a few other instances of people having the same issue, though it isn't clear whether they were all due to the bot malfunctioning rather than them trying to do something they shouldn't. If all you've been doing is trying to make a normal edit, it is most likely a false positive. Your IP is unlikely to be the problem, since you aren't blocked on this page. I'd try again and see what happens. If it persists, it probably needs reporting: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) would probably be the best place to do this, since that's where those most familiar with MediaWiki stuff hang out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup got blocked again. I'll go and report it. Thanks for the clarification ! Alpiiiiiine (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The actor Alec Baldwin was born in Amityville or Massapequa? In his book "Nevertheless: a memoir" he says: "I'm from 25 Greatwater Avenue in Massapequa, New York". 87.11.28.107 (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"From" is not synonymous with "born", and there is no inconsistency unless it was a home birth. It is entirely possible that he was born in a hospital and spent his childhood living in a house at the nearby address that he mentioned. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to update the image of the "Eternal Flame" in Sarajevo. I've uploaded my photo to Wiki commons but forgotten how to replace the main image on the right side of the Wikipedia page. Thanks. Pianistinator (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the Commons Description page for the image, C:File:The Eternal Flame, Sarajevo.jpg, you will see a link at the top "Use this File", and if you pick it, it will show you the string to copy and paste into the Wikipedia article.

Looking at that page, I see that you have described the picture as "Own work", but also said "Shot by Jack Rose. Instagram username: @Camerahuffer". Are you Jack Rose? ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how do I add more sources? there are Many Many Articles in published magazines etc. Going back over 20 years. Sharapparazzi (talk) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Then, if you have the sources to demonstrate that Drury meets our notability criteria, read Wikipedia:Citing sources. Nobody is going to write the article for you. Not with a draft like that, which makes claims but cites nothing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like most new editors who try the challenging task of writing a draft before they have acquired the necessary skills, you have written Draft:Lynn Drury WP:BACKWARDS.

First find your sources, then write a summary of what those sources say. Doing anything else is like trying to build a house without surveying the site, or checking local building regulations: even if your house looks OK, it will probably fall down, or the authorities will require such extensive changes that you might as well demolish it and start again.

Remember that the sources must be reliable (no social media, blogs, or user-generated sites like Wikis or iMDB):independent (nothing written, published, or commissioned, by the subject or their associates or agents; and nothing based on their words, like interviews, or articles written from press releases); and with significant coverage (at least a couple of paragraphs about the subject specifically: not just mentions, not about something the subject is connected with, but about the subject). See WP:42 for more on this. ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quote: Her music is a definitive blend of Americana infused with the soulful spirit of New Orleans, a city known for its unique groove. She has become a regular performer at iconic events like the French Quarter Fest and New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival (my emphases). Et cetera. It's less a matter of lack of necessary skills, more an utterly inappropriate intention to boost this person. Please take this fluff to some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asking out of curiosity, what's the Wikipedia policy on copyrighted images when it comes to sandboxes? Asking because I'm thinking about creating a draft for a game that's seen recent popularity, but I'm not entirely sure if it has enough notability to be an article just yet.

Jdxtreme, Local Idiot (talk)

22:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Jdxtreme, it's the same as anywhere else. Copyright material may not be used anywhere in Wikipedia unless either it is licensed with a compatible licence, such as WP:CC-BY-SA, or it meets all the criteria in the non-free content criteria, one of which is that it may be used only in articles. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But note that the presence or absence of images will not affect whether a draft is accepted on review or not. Images are decoration, not a crucial part of an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks for letting me know Colin. Guess uploading that Steam header will have to wait until I polish that rough draft on my sandbox.

Jdxtreme, Local Idiot (talk)

23:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

​You probably shouldn't upload any non-free content until after the draft has been approved as an article or otherwise ends up in the article namespace as explained in WP:DRAFTS#Creating and editing drafts. If you try to add non-free content to the page while it's still a draft or in your username space; it will be removed (most likely by a WP:BOT) and end tagged for speedy deletion per criteria WP:F5 if it's not being used in any other articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

How is the best way to go about requesting a new spoken article that will get the most attention in hopes someone will create one? The written article in question already has a spoken article but it's from 2010, so obviously the article in question has changed a lot since then. As such I don't think it would fall under a spoken article request, as this seems to be for pages that don't already have a spoken version (although I may be wrong here so clarification would be helpful). Also, the original uploader has been inactive on Wikipedia and other related projects for years, so I can't ask them to make a new version, nor do I think I'm comfortable recording myself. I've asked this question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia and Category talk:Spoken Wikipedia requests without any responses. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Helper201 (talk) 01:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Helper201 you can request a recording by placing {{Spoken article requested|~~~|reason}} on the article's talk page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CanonNi but as I mentioned it wouldn't technically be a spoken article request as the article already has a spoken version, it’s just very old and needs a new or updated version. Helper201 (talk) 02:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think recording it is so important, Helper201, could you perhaps record it yourself? -- 02:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoary (talk • contribs) [reply]

What does it mean when the server is invalid when publishing content? Twocard88 (talk) 07:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Twocard88: You didn't state the precise message but you probably just have to try again. If the same edit session fails to save then try to start a new edit but you can just copy-paste from the old attempt without changing anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there was Template:Infobox Guinea Pig and I wanted to know all of the unique values that had been given to the parameter "tail color", is there an easy way to search this? Let's say that there are more than 500 uses of the template. Ideally, I'd like to then be see that there is one with cyan and then able to tell the one article that had tail color = Cyan, but I figure the second could be done with a regex search.Naraht (talk) 12:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BlueSpace Federal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Odd case I came across today.

• 18 August 2005: An IP user creates new article on (and named) BlueSpace, an IBM–Steelcase collaboration on a prototype "office of the future".
• 6 June 2010: With their first edit, Justin143143 adds content on a different entity named BlueSpace – a software company in the defence industry – shunting content on the other BlueSpace further down, with the summary "the IBM BlueSpace desk furniture project is now essentially dead".
• 7 June 2010: Another IP user (possibly Justin143143 logged out?), with their first edit, removes everything related to IBM BlueSpace, with the summary "The IBM BlueSpace Office was a failed research project that happened in 2002. It is no longer relevant." The article has now been completely transformed into covering an entirely different topic.
• No-one notices for the next 14 years. The usual chronic COI editing ensues. The article is moved to "Bluespace (software)" in 2020 and "BlueSpace Federal" in 2023.

The defence industry BlueSpace seems to fail our notability guidelines for companies, but the IBM BlueSpace actually seems to pass – on a quick search it's got coverage in the NYT, The Register, ZDNet, The Globe and Mail etc.

I'd like to put the defence industry BlueSpace up for deletion but rewrite and retain the IBM BlueSpace. How should I go about doing this? I can think of two ways:

1. Restore the article to its last unhijacked version (12 April 2009), move it back to "BlueSpace", rewrite an article on the IBM BlueSpace from there. If someone really feels the need for an article on the defence industry BlueSpace, they can write their own somewhere else.
2. PROD/AfD the article and separately expand the redirect BlueSpace into a new article on the IBM BlueSpace.

Which is preferable? – Teratix ₵ 14:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Sarahfriedland (talk) 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed . Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An easy fix is to delete the <ref> use the "Cite" button, then paste the URL and the software will do the rest for you to re-generate the citation :). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me with this edit? Thank you!

Cocobb8 has fixed it, you didn't give a title Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goochland_County,_Virginia article image on right side does not show the state in either Firefox or Edge, only the highlighted county. Looks weird. Not allowed to upload an example here. Oathed (talk) 15:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I've been going through recent "bad" changes lately and sometimes there's articles that get hit by a vandal over-and-over, but with different IP's. Today it's Multan Electric Power Company - an IP hopper keeps repeatedly changing the first line to stupid stuff. It gets reverted but they just do it again. What's the right thing to do here - is it AN/I or is there a more specific board to go to? BugGhost🪲👻 15:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bugghost: report it at WP:AIV RudolfRed (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]