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List of Spanish musicians

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WP:SALAT, the scope of the list is too broad. There are more than 2300 pages in Category:Spanish musicians, this list is useless without further subdivision. Broc (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could be subdivided alphabetically when needed Atlantic306 (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Template:Musicians by country shows these articles are common, wouldn't make sense to have one country not on the list. Being incomplete is not a valid reason to delete any article, nor is the arguments "its useless". If there was a bot someone could run to grab basic information from the infoboxes of the articles linked to, and add that to table formation, years active, what type of music they play, etc, it'd be more useful. Dream Focus 00:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Myanmar representatives at international male beauty pageants

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This topic doesn't meet the notability standards for lists under WP:LISTN. The sources in the article are primarily social media posts. Let'srun (talk) 10:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of people who have lived in Hampstead Garden Suburb

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Wikipedia is not a phonebook. This has been {{cn}} tagged for 2 years, and there is no indication that "living in Hampstead Garden Suburb" is a notable concept (as opposed to a thing that some people happen to do). Walsh90210 (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of chief executive officers

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Ephemeral list with unclear criteria for inclusion. Category:Chief executives by nationality includes more then 12,000 notable subjects, which could potentially all end up in this list. Broc (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE - WP:NOTDIRECTORY also delete subcategories on a separate AFD deletion. Why do we need this list, or any of the other similar lists? There's a whole bunch of this stuff we could delete. See Category:Lists of businesspeople - why do we need to know how many Jewish persons are in a given area of corporations? And why do we need to know their specific names and birth-death dates? It just goes on and on, with probably nobody updating these lists. — Maile (talk) 13:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maile66 I've noticed those other lists such as List of Jewish American businesspeople in finance which do not seem to fulfill WP:NLIST. However, they can't be grouped with this nomination, as my concerns for this list are more about WP:SALAT (selection criterion is too broad) and WP:LISTOUTCOMES (ephemeral listings are usually deleted). Broc (talk) 14:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Just mentioning in case anyone else wants to create an AFD for any of those . — Maile (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This list appears to only have current CEOs of notable companies, even though it's not clearly stated; skimming the categories, I see a lot of former CEOs and executives of non-notable companies or other types of entities. This list could probably be reorganized to be sorted by country or further limited to, say, Fortune 500 or equivalent companies, as well as removing the few CEOs listed who don't have their own articles either, but it serves a valid navigational purpose. These categories have a lot of people who aren't corporate executives or are notable for other things, so it's not very useful for navigation. I'd further note that the item on the Common Outcomes page was added in 2011 as "Ephemeral listings of current personnel", which is often seen as non-notable people; this is by no means a precedent that applies here and does not ban the concept of things being up to date. Reywas92^Talk 15:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If the list gets too long, it can split out by nationality. This is far more useful than a category that only list their names, this showing what company they are in, what years they held this title, and how they got their position. Perfect valid navigational list. Dream Focus 16:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to understand the selection criteria for what constitutes a "notable company" or how a "position corresponding" to CEO is defined. As such, this is a WP:NLIST violation. Let'srun (talk) 17:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the CEO and the company both have their own Wikipedia articles, then they are notable. If its notable enough for a category, you can make a far more useful navigational list out of it. Dream Focus 23:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, is a random list with no clear boundaries. What defines a notable company? There must be thousands of CEOs, if not more, this article lists a few hundred. Would be more useful if there were defined boundaries, e.g. of a FTSE 100 or Nasdaq 100. Heronrhyne (talk) 04:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Heronrhyne (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Dream Focus 04:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of hispanophones

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WP:SALAT, some notable Spanish-speaking people does not seem like a well-defined criterion. Extremely incomplete list. There are ~530 million Spanish speakers in the world, this list could potentially contain millions of entries. Broc (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Obviously far too broad and vague, not a useful page to be told that someone from Spain speaks Spanish. Reywas92^Talk 15:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Apart from the objections already raised (with which I agree) the article doesn't define Spanish-speaking people: does it just mean people with Spanish as their mother-tongue? Or people whose home language is Spanish? Something else? I speak Spanish (badly): does that make me a hispanophone? Apart from anything else, it doesn't seem to list notable Spanish-speaking scientists, but there are plenty of those (especially in Spain, Mexico, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay). Athel cb (talk) 17:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Ajf773 (talk) 04:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of arabophones

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WP:SALAT. The selection criterion for this list is internationally well-known personalities that speak Arabic which is absolutely arbitrary. Broc (talk) 10:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete looks like OR to me.— Iadmc♫^talk 11:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is incredibly arbitrary- the list will never be exhaustive, the premise could be expanded to millions of other potential articles- i.e. people that speak Telugu, Tagalog- and is clearly original research.Spiralwidget (talk) 13:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Arabs

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WP:SALAT. There are currently ~400 million Arabs in the world, many of whom are notable and have a page on Wikipedia. This extremely incomplete list is way too broad, as it could potentially grow to millions of entries. Broc (talk) 10:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Obviously far too broad to have as a main list, could be turned into a "Lists of" if appropriate. Reywas92^Talk 15:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per Reywas92 & Broc. Vlaemink (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Too broad for Wikipedia. Orientls (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of British scientists

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WP:SALAT, very incomplete list that could potentially contain tens – if not hundreds – thousands entries. We have much more selective categories (by city, by field by century,...), there is no need for this overarching list. Broc (talk) 06:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Despite the large number of edits I made to this list a year or so ago (many more than I guessed before checking), I agree with Broc that it is too long and unwieldy, as well as being seriously incomplete, to be useful. Athel cb (talk) 08:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is there space for a "list of lists" of British scientists or similar? I think the concept is certainly sound, and it seems to be visited a fair deal.Spiralwidget (talk)
@Spiralwidget: I only find following sub-lists that could be included in a potential Lists of British scientists list-of-lists:
I'm not sure if it makes sense to group them together. Broc (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It is far too incomplete, and I don't see how it could ever be kept current. Category:British scientists already exists, change to a redirect if possible. Ldm1954 (talk) 06:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of American scientists

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WP:SALAT, very incomplete list that could potentially contain tens – if not hundreds – thousands entries. We have much more selective categories (by field by century, by field by state,...), there is no need for this overarching list. Broc (talk) 06:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Split article into a list of lists, specific to scientific categories, per nom. —Mjks28 (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mjks28 this is an alphabetical list, how do you propose to split it? Broc (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would propose to split the article into different subsections of science; i.e. one for psychologists, one for biologists, one for chemists, etc, and make this article a list of those lists, sort of like Lists of celebrities. Mjks28 (talk) 06:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This would be an effort completely unrelated to the existing page, as it would not be a simple WP:SPLIT but would require a complete re-evaluation of all entries in the list. Creating lists by topic could be done by simply using categories as a starting point, without needing the existing list. In my opinion the suggested "split" is not feasible. Broc (talk) 09:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. In that case, I'd agree with deletion. Mjks28 (talk) 10:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, for much the same reasons as for deleting the List of British scientists just above. Athel cb (talk) 08:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While creating new lists for American chemists, etc. may be an appropriate narrowing of topics, I see no need use the existing list in any way. Recreating it as a "Lists of" or other navigation page is welcome, but again it's not necessary to use any of the current page as a starting point. Reywas92^Talk 15:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of early-modern British women playwrights

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This is a duplicate list of Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights, just sorted alphabetically. Either this functionally should be merged into that article, or just use a category like Category:Women writers (early modern), which already sorts alphabetically. Having to maintain two identical lists is pointless. Gonnym (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights per above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: Merge article with the aforementioned Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights, per arguments above. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the 2022-created Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights into this 2006-created list, but convert to a table sortable on surname and birth and death dates (have to work out what to do with the "fl." people), to provide all the functionaliy of both lists. (Note that the inclusion criterion of "active ... before about 1800" seems rather loosely applied as Elizabeth Barrett Browning (1806-1861) is in both lists, although not in List of early-modern British women poets!) PamD 08:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge under the title "List of early-modern British women playwrights", as per the reasons listed in the proposal and responses above, as well as in my previous comments on both talk pages. In fact, putting List of early-modern British women playwrights into a table and removing Chronology of early-modern British women playwrights, which has not been updated, has been on my to-do list for awhile. Since doing so would probably mean making the same changes to the sister lists, List of early-modern British women novelists and List of early-modern British women poets, I have been putting it off. — scribbling woman 07:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Belgians

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This list is much too broad and conflicts with WP:SALAT. gidonb (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Belgium is a densely populated country of 11.7 million people. Category:Belgian people cannot be counted by PetScan, and a large share of the articles are not about Belgians, but there are likely tens of thousands articles about Belgians in Category:Belgian people. Category:Belgian scientists alone contains 1038 articles, more than enough to support a standalone list of Belgian scientists. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Belgian people by century contains 4569 results. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the scope of such list is too broad. But as WP:ATD, this list could be transformed in a list of lists following the example of Lists of Americans, by splitting into sub-lists. However, I tend towards Delete as I don't see the value in having lists of people for which we already have categories with thousands of entries, unless said lists have more stringent criteria than the categories themselves and are heavily curated. Otherwise we end up having patchwork lists of dubious worth. I am looking forward to reading the opinions of fellow editors. Broc (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article is way too vague, as it includes people who were citizens of Belgium for at least some part of their lives (which could include a small portion of their lives), people who weren't Belgium at the time but were born where Belgium is now (which I don't think should qualify as "Belgian"), and even fictional characters whose citizenship isn't even know. There are way too many leaniant parameters for what qualifies as "Belgian". I think @Broc's solution to turn the article into a list of lists could work, but I think deletion or making stricter qualifications for what "Belgian" means would be better suited. Mjks28 (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A list on its own is far too broad and unwieldy. Possible alternative is a list of lists in a more specific sense. Ajf773 (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Singapore representatives at international male beauty pageants

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Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vietnam representatives at international male beauty pageants, this list of pageant contestants lacks notability under WP:LISTN. The only source in the article currently is to Miss World, which is primary. Let'srun (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nomination. This list is more trivia than encyclopedic. TH1980 (talk) 01:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as we have deleted several similar articles. Mccapra (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ambassadors of Pakistan to France

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Fails WP:LISTCRIT - we don't need list of red links.. Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to France–Pakistan relations following WP:DIPLOMAT. Broc (talk) 12:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Labingi

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Fails WP:GNG seems like an list disambiguation. Both articles link to each other in the lead. Could possible be redirected to Westron language? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Appears to be real, but so trivial as to not merit a mention in Bilbo's article as it stands now. Is there more context to these supposed names that would fill out a stub, or another article that explains the context here? Jclemens (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, certainly real and readily sourced, and a reminder that we should certainly make more of Westron names, in fact the whole language, throughout the WikiProject. The prime concern across the project has been notability, given that there was a large legacy of what seemed to be fan-created articles with (at best) primary sourcing. Now that that's been fixed, looking at the development of names and of characters, all the legendarium side of things, is an obvious next step: i.e. we should add the "Labingi" element to many articles. I'd hope it'd go without saying that you can't decide notability by looking at Wikipedia's gaps, but perhaps that's worth repeating here. Tolkien devoted enormous effort to the names in multiple languages, complete with Pseudotranslation from Westron to English; scholars are starting to catch up with these legendarium (Silmarillion without italics) aspects, so there is potentially large scope for article improvement in this direction. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Judging from the description in Template:Surname and many examples I see, it seems that name pages do work differently with regard to notability requirements as compared to "normal" articles. They seem to be more or less a special type of disambiguation page. Is that correct? Daranios (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's right, they are basically navigation lists. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The thing is this is a fictional name with only two uses. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  When things need disambiguating, it doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Except in this instance disambiguation isn’t needed. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As a name page this does not need to fullfill WP:GNG as discussed above. I think a sentence adding the Westron version of the name to Bilbo Baggins in the way it does appear at Frodo Baggins#Concept and creation is warranted, and can be verfied by both primary and secondary sources. (I only now have seen that the name appears in the very beginning at Bilbo Baggins, so I am not sure if more is necessary for the name as such. Daranios (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)) Partially answering Jclemens' question, I did see small pieces of further context, which are probably best included in other articles: The Hobbit Encyclopedia, p. 201, states how we see that the connection between Baggins and Bag End is deliberate, because it also appears in the Westron names. Probably best suited for the Bag End article. This snippet view from Myth Print magazine has criticism on the introduction of the Westron names, referring to Maura Labingi, as they can detract from appreciating the names commonly appearing in the books, like Frodo Baggins. Probably best suited for the Pseudotranslation in The Lord of the Rings article. This article has a bit of commentary on how the names Baggins and Labingi, which both can be related to (to) bag/(to) pocket, are suitable for the character of Bilbo (and Frodo as his heir), i.e. suited for the Bilbo Baggins article. I don't quite get what kind of publication that is, though. Daranios (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both of the two things disambiguated are not common names for the characters by a longshot. Per WP:NAMELIST, articles on people should be listed at the disambiguation page for their given name or surname only if they are reasonably well known by it. I assume this also applies to fictional characters, making this DAB page blatantly violate policy. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I think WP:NAMELIST refers to a very different case than ours here, with their example of Lincoln (disambiguation): If there is a term with a number of different meanings, which includes both persons' names and other things, then one should only include very prominent examples (like Abraham Lincoln) in the main disambiguation page, while other persons' names should be spun out into a page like Lincoln (name). Here, we only have names of (fictional) persons. Secondly, the guideline says why it exists in the first place: To prevent disambiguation pages from getting too long. That is very much not a problem here. Daranios (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the article is presented as a name list, and uses the templates that are intended for real life people. So I have no choice but to judge it as one - if I don't, it has even less of a claim for existence due to violating WP:PTM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see this also as a name list. WP:NAMELIST, despite its title, does not deal with how to construct name lists, but how to deal with regular disambiguation pages which also contain names, and the relationship between regular disambiguation pages and name lists. The part you have quoted therefore does not apply to our name list here, as is directly present in that part: ...should be listed at the disambiguation page.... So no violation of that guideline here. Daranios (talk) 09:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Broccoli

Lists of people

List of Spanish musicians

List of Myanmar representatives at international male beauty pageants

List of people who have lived in Hampstead Garden Suburb

List of chief executive officers

List of hispanophones

List of arabophones

List of Arabs

List of British scientists

List of American scientists

List of early-modern British women playwrights

List of Belgians

List of Singapore representatives at international male beauty pageants

List of ambassadors of Pakistan to France

Labingi

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