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Can you please bump up the protection to semi? It's on pending changes, but basically every edit by IPs this month has gotten reverted, including nonsense like this. Left guide (talk) 03:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you also consider blocking the IP? They're back at Western Conference (NBA), and if I revert them there, I bet they'll attack another article. Not really in the mood for this silly cat-and mouse game, and I doubt the WP:AIV regulars know enough about sports to recognize it as purely disruptive/vandalism. Left guide (talk) 03:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: Done. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Is there a way to request an independent assessment of an existing article? For example, an article that is a niche topic and has a small number of contributors? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: Are you referring to Wikipedia:Content assessment i.e. B, C, Start, etc? Ask a WikiProject related to the page, or try Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment § Requesting an assessment. That said, WP:ASSESS also says: Generally speaking, all editors, including editors who have written or improved an article, are encouraged to boldly set any quality rating that they believe is appropriate ... —Bagumba (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, sorry, I thought that phrasing might lead to a misunderstanding. I actually mean whether there is an avenue for requesting an independent editor/admin to help with copyediting an article. I'm not helping the situation at Franklin Bulls with my involvement, so it would be great if someone organically was able to review the page to help me out. Last year when I raised concerns with the content of the page, I tried to cover all bases by posting at WikiProject Basketball, article talk page and user talk page. It was not well received by the user at the time and their successor carries that resentment. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @DaHuzyBru: If you're seeking an avenue for requesting an independent editor to help with copyediting an article, then WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests may be of value, though it looks like the size of the queue there might cause the wait time to be about two months for a request to be fulfilled. Meanwhile, I can pitch in with some copy edits at the Franklin Bulls article. Left guide (talk) 07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the info and your contributions. It would be good to have others add maintenance tags where appropriate as well – there are a couple of unsourced or poorly sourced sections. My previous attempts adding header tags or "citation needed" tags has led to undesirable reactions. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide I see that user just reverted your subsection name change. I knew they would do that. Is there a WP policy that stipulates section name guidelines? DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: There is MOS:HEADINGS. This is an example of a straight-forward specific question that could be a thread of what the section title should be, listing the options, and discussing the merits of each, with a poll if necessary. —Bagumba (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: Another possbility might be to ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Auckland or Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand for input, on the chance someone there might have knowledge or interest. I can appreciate you not being presumptuous that you are in the right. At the same time, you might be also be one of the few experts in this area too, so the possibility exists that if you don't take the initiative, nobody else will either. No pressure, this is all voluntary, but I'm trying to be realistic for this niche topic. Going back to WP:ONUS, if one person believes something should be included, and another disagrees, and nobody else has an opinion, there is no consensus for its inclusion. Perhaps the article needs to be addressed piecemeal on the talk page, with multiple threads on very specific content, asking "include, or don't include" for each. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks mate. I agree regarding "if you don't take the initiative, nobody else will", I just don't want to get blocked for edit warring. I have been bold and removed bulk content from the page before. To the user, it's me "removing factual information" and "getting others involved to shut them down". They don't understand the purpose of citing policies – to them it's "buzz words". It's a clear case of WP:NOTHERE.

How would I go about initiating the addressing of specific content? Starting a new thread on the talk page about a specific section would have merit but only if I could convince others to make comment on the validity of my points, otherwise it's just back and forth between me and them, which usually ends up unconstructive and combative. Last year, I pointed out where the content was lacking and asked them to consider cleaning it up themselves. The user has demonstrated their distain for me and does not appreciate my comments on their content.

For example, I believe the "Hosting the Breakers" section is trivial and has no relevance to the team itself – their home stadium hosted a one-off Australian NBL game, big deal. It's been written by a fan that is closely connected to the team and the region that feels pride in that fact. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: You can have a discussion on whether "Hosting" meets WP:PROPORTION or not w.r.t. sources. The WP:ONUS is on the person adding content to establish consensus for its inclusion. If it's just "back and forth" between two editors, it's possible there is no consensus, depending on the strength of arguments. If it's only 2 people, using Wikipedia:Third opinion is also an option. If you happen to reach a deadlock on a specific thread, feel free to notify me and I can take a look and potentially moderate. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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