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Haliey Welch

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Latest viral meme, very WP:BIO1E. WP:TOOSOON to tell if this is lasting. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft: I guess, this is likely TOOSOON, but it's got decent enough sourcing. Time will tell if it's notable or not. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am amenable to this WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you copy my draft? I created this page first User:UtherSRG Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify per nom - WP:BIO1E, but possible WP:TOOSOON. KylieTastic (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Her name is Hailey Welch, and I created this page fitst and submitted through AfC. Draft:Hailey Welch

The user paraphrased much of my draft, and changed the name because my draft already existed. THIS is incredibly disingenuous.

To clarify. If you read my draft, I think you will see that Welch DOES qualify for notability, specifically because of sustained significant coverage over the last month, and her pivioting into a career and getting mentored by Shaq. I can't believe this UtherSRG basically copied my draft and moved it to mainspace with a spelling error in the name Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super suspicious that this article says <span class="inline-quote-talk2" style="font-style: italic; | class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt; color: #789922;">>"Often misspelled Hailey Welch"</span> When All reliable sources cite her name to be Hailey Welch Comintell (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Draft:Hailey_Welch: Created this page first Comintell (talk) 19:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viva Van

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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [1], rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [2], none turn up. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian women government ministers

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Poorly maintained and deeply-context deficient list with significant maintainability problems. For starters, it just indiscriminately lists women in one common omnibus list, regardless of whether they served in a federal or provincial/territorial cabinet, which isn't particularly helpful -- if there's any value to this, it would be far better served by either splitting the list up into separate subsections for each individual government, or actually creating full standalone spinoff lists for each individual government, for clarity of context, because federal and provincial/territorial cabinets are different beasts.
For another thing, it's actually missing far more names than it's including -- a quick WP:AWB comparison between this list and Category:Women government ministers of Canada found 326 women in the category who are not in this list, compared to just 135 women who are in both places.
This list hasn't been updated with any new names since 2017, so no woman who joined a Canadian government cabinet in the past seven years has ever been added here at all, and even in 2017 it already wasn't particularly complete, because the creator basically aimed for at-the-time comprehensiveness only for the federal and Ontario cabinets, and bunked off nearly the entire rest of the country.
In other words, this list is deeply incomplete, and isn't organized in a way that would actually be helpful or valuable to a reader -- and since we already have Category:Women government ministers of Canada as it is, it's not entirely clear that it would be worth the time investment to actually fix this list. I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody actually is willing to put in that time, but it's not serving readers to hold onto a deeply incomplete and poorly organized version that isn't actually being repaired. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Katlego Malebane

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No notability for this child sportsperson, lack of sources that are significant and secondary. Geschichte (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Caribbean Queen's Tournament

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The only sources that cover this friendly football tournament are run-of-the-mill announcements that the tournament will occur and reporting of the results. This tournament meets neither WP:NEVENT nor WP:GNG. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is some coverage that is more than run of the mill. The topic may move in the direction of notability for the tournament series, not for the editions. The proposed is an annual edition, however, and it is early for such historic perspective. So delete. gidonb (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eve Vorley

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BLP1E. Football club directors are not inherently notable and by coverage this is a pure BLP1E as the appointment of a porn/glamour performer caused some noise at the time. Beyond that, nothing. Not by her real name or alias Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a former glamour model, pornographic actress, nor film director. She being an English football club director is considered to be WP:ONEEVENT. — YoungForever^(talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: where she is mentioned; merge what's necessary. Not opposed to keep, given existing coverage -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poppy Morgan

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How has this survived the raised expectations around porn performers. The sourcing is well below GNG for a BLP. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: a few years ago, a group of users has managed to create a consensus that states that pornographic entertainers are basically not notable for what they do (their awards do not count, the coverage from the industry does not count, etc.). OK. But this actress might meet GNG: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/hull-porn-star-poppy-morgan-2877489 ; https://www.anorak.co.uk/377943/celebrities/hull-mps-want-page-3-banned-but-the-official-brochure-says-poppy-morgan-is-part-of-the-city-culture.html ; https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2006/11/23/porn-star-to-teach-dancers/ as these sources mention that her notability as porn star exists outside WP and outside the industry. At least, that's how I see things. And I consider her notable enough to have a page. If any ATD exists, feel free to redirect. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for proving my point with non reliable sources Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Thank you for providing a link showing these sources are non-reliable according to a clear consensus. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Women's Premier League (cricket) captains

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK, and violates WP:NOTDATABASE as almost the entire content of the article is just a copy of the ESPNCricinfo source [3]. Just because the men's IPL has this article (which I also don't necessarily agree with), that doesn't mean this article meets WP:NLIST, as I don't see significant coverage about these captains grouped together in news sources (i.e. not just copies of the table). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. The page does not meet notability guidelines WP:FAILN and WP:NLIST. RangersRus (talk) 12:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For full transparency, I'm just noting that I mentioned this list was nominated for deletion at the featured list nomination here. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are other pages for list of captains as well; see Category:Lists of cricket captains. They have the same sort of sources as well; what difference does it make? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these are captains of teams, rather than captains at tournaments (apart from BPL and IPL, neither of which seem notable either). Why would we need a list of every captain ever at one competition? Also, WP:OSE applies to this rationale. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does CFORK applies here? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lottie Tomlinson

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I believe this person fails WP:BIO, only sources I could find are passing mentions related to her more famous brother Louis Tomlinson or promotional tabloid stuff. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Very much a WP:NOTINHERITED case here. Nate • (chatter) 23:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a model nor makeup artist. Also, WP:NINI. — YoungForever^(talk) 15:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I haven't seen any reliable sources that discuss her career as a model or makeup artist in detail. Maybe this information could be added to her brother's article, but it doesn't seem like enough for a whole separate page on Wikipedia. Waqar💬 18:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I mean the content is not super important stuff like articles about footballers who play a few games in a top league, but there's a *lot* of news coverage about her out there.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonhlanhla Joye

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WP:BLP of a social entrepreneur, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for entrepreneurs. The attempted notability claim here, that she founded an organization, would be fine if the article were reliably sourced to WP:GNG-worthy coverage about her in real media of record, but this as written is referenced far, far too heavily to primary source content self-published by organizations she's directly affiliated with, and shows very little evidence of third-party coverage about her in independent GNG-worthy sources. Bearcat (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak delete: Should be notable, but there just isn't much coverage... A PBS interview here [4] and a brief mention here in a French article [5]. Oaktree b (talk) 00:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supreet Bedi

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Article refunded after soft deletion, but still fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. The vast majority of sources are tabloid coverage, which doesn't count as WP:SIGCOV under GNG. Other sources include primary sources like the subject's own book or WP:INTERVIEWS, or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails all criteria WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:BLP. No WP:SIGCOV. Sources are poor to unreliable WP:NEWSORGINDIA. RangersRus (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Spindler

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Marked for notability concerns in 2014. Only 2 articles link to this: Bush Heritage Australia and List of people named Rebecca. She has written a fair few articles but don't think she meets WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. ‎ LibStar (talk) 04:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and keep improving. Article needs improvement but subject easily meets WP:BASIC and likely WP:GNG. Straight off the bat, Wikipedia Library gives you this 2012 Australian Women's Weekly feature article on Rebecca Spindler and her influence as a zoologist ("catalyst for change" in Australia and abroad). Even if we don't count the sponsored Guardian article recognising Spindler as one of 30 Australians making their mark, she is often cited in the Australian media as an expert on animal-related issues. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We're considering gossip rags and sponsored articles as reliable sources now? TarnishedPath^talk 10:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khwezi Khoza

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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I looked for some reliable sources about this player, but couldn't find much beyond participation lists. Seems like it might be better placed elsewhere. Waqar💬 17:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thato Mofolo

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For some reasons, I cannot draftify this. Tagged with {{Notability}} and {{no significant coverage (sports)}} as it fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:ANYBIO. Yes, she scored a brace and so on, there's no WP:SIGCOV, and BLP is a very delicate subject which requires strong and adequate sourcing. dxneo (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find anything better than the sources already in the article, which fall way short of SIGCOV Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article currently lacks substantial coverage from independent sources to justify its presence on Wikipedia. Waqar💬 16:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mamokgaase Senyatsi

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There is no WP:SIGCOV cited in the article and I found none in a search. WP:SPORTBASIC is very clear when stating that routine coverage in match reports is not enough for an article. I found Idiski Times and Thami Soccer which are just more examples of trivial coverage from match reports. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as notability tagger. I guess this is closer to fancruft than to a topic that gets significant in-depth coverage. Geschichte (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This article seems like it might be about a lesser-known footballer. It might be better suited for sources that go beyond fan commentary. Waqar💬 17:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Qingyun

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Veronika Kropotina

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aimee Knight

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Hi, I’ve nominated this page for deletion as I’m not sure whether they are relevant enough to warrant an entire wikipedia page, politicians who’ve stood for election and lost with less than 2% of the vote don’t generally get Wikipedia pages, especially when they’ve done nothing of much note after the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxisediting (talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, not meeting the WP:NPOL criteria only means that there's no inherent notability, not that the subject is not notable. There seems to be enough significant coverage to meet WP:NBIO/WP:GNG. --AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, agree with the above. Fundamentally well covered enough to meet criteria, and little reason to remove well enough sourced information. Flatthew (talk) 14:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Knight is much more than a failed election candidate as is attested to by the numerous citations to other events covered in the article. JezGrove (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete already been deleted twice under a different title, and the article contains massive WP:BLP concerns. SportingFlyer T·C 21:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the sources in the article are newer than the previous AfDs, I don't really see the relevance of them. AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just struggling to figure out why she's notable. She clearly doesn't qualify for NPOL, and her other "event" was being fired. Most of the sources are either local papers or self-published. The article reads like WP:NPF needs to be properly applied as well. I'm struggling to see why this should be kept. SportingFlyer T·C 13:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Knight is an important figure in the recent history and controversies of Green Party of England and Wales as the article shows - Knight was not just a failed politician but someone whose behaviour and actions have had ramifications across the political spectrum. Zeno27 (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. For the history of political parties sheltering sexual deviants, if nothing else. Aquila ka Hecate (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ildikó von Habsburg

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Ildikó von Habsburg is not notable. WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:BLPFAMILY - relationships do not confer notability and they are not notable as an equestrian. D1551D3N7 (talk) 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just like for this person's sister, it's not helpful just state that this article relies on inherited notability if it is sourced. Are Vanity Fair, Index, and NLC all insufficient to establish notability? Cortador (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who is this person? Tell me who this 22 year old is without mentioning her grandfather or family history. I could break down the sources but I did that on the other AfD, I simply don't believe they pass WP:GNG. If you believe they do please say why.

There is a tendency in the royal side of Wikipedia to create an article for every single member of every family and it is pure cruft of no encyclopedic significance. D1551D3N7 (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is sourced, the onus is on you to show that the subject still isn't notable, not the other way around. "The sources are insufficient" isn't even the argument you used for the nomination. Cortador (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument in the nomination explains why the sources are insufficient. D1551D3N7 (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrea Diewald

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I removed the PROD as I am concerned with the BEFORE being conducted by the nom. Let'srun (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandra Kunová

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. There are two interlanguage Wikipedia in German and Japanese, but neither of them provide significant coverage in reliable sources. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia in 2009, possibly due to BLP concerns. My Google came up with other women of the same name than this figure skater, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Doesn't the win at the Slovak Figure Skating Championships qualify the subject for a WP:NSKATE pass? That being said, the subject may still not meet WP:GNG, but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was told over and over that WP:NSKATE is merely a guideline, and in this case, one national gold medal didn't lead to any sort of notability or significant coverage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. However, the subject meets that guideline so why would you cite it in your nomination statement as a reason to delete the article? Let'srun (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isha Malviya

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The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Single significant role in Udaariyaan. Does not meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. Editingmylove (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: At least one significant award won and 3 significant award nominations have her meet WP:ANYBIO imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Eye raising nomination, but that aside, I think this is close. There is a lot of fancruft references, interviews, general announcements, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, etc. And, winning an award or appearing on a television show does not give inherent notability (I think the Indian Telly Awards individual categories may not meet notability either). However, there are at least two references that are bylined and not just routine announcements here and here. I'll reserve a !vote at the moment in hopes someone can point out coverage that isn't routine. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak delete: most coverage is about the TV show Big Boss [6], I wouldn't call it extensive coverage. This is a RS, but what's used in the article are all marginal reliability sources per Cite Highlighter, so I'm not sure we have enough to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The user who has nominated the page for deletion is a new account created solely to ensure the page is deleted. The previous two nominations have also been a result of fandom war. As for the notability, it has been established the last 2 times as well. She has done 2 lead roles, one major reality, show, numerous music videos, a web series in post production, notable award nominations and wins. [FYI, Indian Telly Awards and Indian Television Academy Awards are two of the most notable ITV Awards regardless of whether the pages are well updated on Wikipedia or not.] The actress has sufficient coverage, apart from all her work and has more on the way. Hasty deletion to fulfill online fan wars makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.39.32.83 (talk) 10:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at your contibutions which is only this comment and anyone can say that you are the account created to this comment only. Columbidae5 (talk) 15:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: The article is looking like fan made article who is doing undo removed content. Neutral point of view is also missing in the article. It looks like promotional content. Columbidae5 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notable personality. Filmography with different credits. Nominations and wins in terms of two known awards. Additionally, this seems to be another potential attempt by online supporters of other actors. The previous deletion discussion of this page was quite similar and was started by a fan of another ITV actress. This seems to be yet another example of social media hate propaganda. OCDD (talk)

Maryam Rostampour and Marziyeh Amirizadeh

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Opening this deletion discussion per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE on the talk page (here). Would love to hear editors' thoughts going forward. GnocchiFan (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is too notable to delete. Maryam Rostampour is arguably notable as well, despite the fact that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is the only one of the two with continuing coverage. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Draft:Marziyeh Amirizadeh exists as a draft. Assuming that both women are notable, perhaps Draft:Marziyeh Amirizadeh could be added to article space after any necessary improvements are made, and this article could be moved to Maryam Rostamour-Keller (her current name), thereby preserving the edit history. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If agreement is that there is enough information to split, I think this is a good idea. Otherwise, I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh's name be removed from this article per request and this article moved to Maryam Rostamour-Keller per your suggestion. GnocchiFan (talk) 22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Split I think it is reasonable to have this specific article deleted. However, I would be open to the thought of having a separate article for Maryam Rostampour if she is notable enough. Marziyeh Amirizadeh on the surface level appears to be a notable figure (I have not done much research into her life though), so I would be more comfortable with having a separate article for her. ❤History Theorist❤ 18:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A person claiming to be one of the subjects of the article requested that it be deleted because they don't want to be associated with the other person? The title is probably inappropriate and would be more appropriate as something else but this does appear to be a notable event. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the editor claiming to be the subject says on the talk page that she paid $300 to have her Wikipedia article written. Is this the current draft, created by an editor who has edited no other topic? PamD 22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irina Nikolaeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There appears to be a professor and a fashion model with this same name that pop up in the search for sources, but I have no idea if those are the same person. I find nothing about a figure skater; this fails notability, Oaktree b (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The corresponding article in Russian has some decent coverage of this subject. At the very least, there is enough to meet WP:NBASIC. Let'srun (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Sources discussing the subject are found at [[7]], [[8]], [[9]] and [[10]] Let'srun (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing significant in any of those sources. #2 is a fan blog. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Of the sources linked by Let'srun above, 1 is a profile on the (defunct) website of her skating coach (and thus not independent), 2 and 3 are blogs, and 4 is not WP:SIGCOV. Sources in the article don't qualify toward WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT, and as nominator points out she doesn't meet WP:NSKATE. If more sources are found, please ping me and I'll take another look. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Salant

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WP:MILL journalist, does not fulfill WP:NJOURNALIST criteria. Broc (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Enough coverage of her books to pass AUTHOR [11], [12], [13] Oaktree b (talk) 22:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The article meets the notability criteria for authors. The information is well-sourced and relevant to our readers. I vote to keep it. Waqar💬 16:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iwaqarhashmi please look at WP:!VOTE, AfD discussions are not polls. Broc (talk) 15:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Sources provided by Oaktree b above are sufficient to satisfy WP:AUTHOR. Sal2100 (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sal2100 Per WP:NAUTHOR The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. So far I see one independent review posted by Oaktree b, and there is one extremely short blurb in Publisher's Weekly as mentioned below. No other independent reviews have been found, so I wonder how you think the criterion is fulfilled? Broc (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Changing from previous !vote after re-evaluation based on Broc's comments immediately above. Sal2100 (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My main concerns are 1) that there are no independent sources and 2) I cannot find any sources for the awards. The Houston Chronicle source on the last one does not verify that award. One book got a review in Publishers' Weekly but that isn't really enough. Lamona (talk) 02:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b pointed out some additional coverage above, of which one is an independent review in a published source. The other two are coverage of her books in newspapers for which she writes/wrote. Two reviews for a book are in my opinion far from sufficient to fulfill WP:NAUTHOR. Broc (talk) 15:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be more enthused if those reviews were in major publications. The Gadsden Times and Sarasota Herald-Tribune don't impress me. And the Lodi review says: "...I have never encountered a book as hard to read as this one" and goes on to pan the book in other aspects. So, no, I don't think these sources are sufficient. And may I say that there is nothing in the policies that says: any 2 reviews = author notability. First, reviews can be negative, so we should read them and not just count them. Then, there is a matter of IMPORT. The actual policy criteria at WP:AUTHOR are pretty intense - but they come down to the question of whether the person has made a significant contribution to a field of study or an area of art, and whether there is evidence that the contribution is recognized by peers. Writing two books on how to buy and sell property - books that do not appear to have gotten national attention - doesn't rise to that level, IMO. Lamona (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yasmin Lucas

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This article about a Brazilian singer covers the subject's early career as a child / teenage performer but not the later appearance as a contestant on The Voice Brasil, performing by then as Lais Yasmin. Although this article instance is sourced only to primary social media, its basic details are verifiable in this 2018 online article associated with The Voice appearance. However I don't see the evidence needed to meet the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Also adding a source search for the subject's later performing name. AllyD (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sourcing now in the article is social media or primary sources. I don't find anything about this person. Nothing for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) she's better known as Lais Yasmin. 2) for any user who wouldn't have been able to "find anything" (!!!!) secondary sources in reliable media exist, a quick look at other Wikipedias maybe? Examples https://gshow.globo.com/realities/the-voice-kids/2022/noticia/semifinalista-do-the-voice-brasil-lais-yasmin-se-emociona-ao-ver-sua-musica-no-kids-revivi-a-historia.ghtml or https://www.reportermt.com/geral/cuiabana-do-the-voice-quase-desistiu-de-cantar-apos-morte-do-pai/84988or https://entretenimento.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2018/08/30/nora-de-milton-neves-lais-yasmin-tem-casamento-marcado-depois-do-the-voice-brasil.htm or https://olivre.com.br/lais-yasmin-e-classificada-para-proxima-fase-do-the-voice-brasil. and there's much more... 3) anyway various ATDs exist, and should be considered, e.g. redirect to The Voice Brazil; but she's notable enough imv, so Keep.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayley Anne Sacks

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: For the same reasons as the last AfD. This subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israeli Figure Skating Championships, where Sack's achievements, two national silver medals, are recorded. Per CHEAP and ATD. gidonb (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not notable enough based on the competitions she won, or did not win, having placed only silver in the Nationals, then 17th in the World Championships, then nothing more after that. Prof.PMarini (talk) 07:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She won twice silver medals in Israel. I wouldn't discount the huge efforts that go into that with "only" and "nothing more". A redirect is well deserved and as ATD and CHEAP usually takes precedence over delete. gidonb (talk) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Israeli Figure Skating Championships#Pairs per WP:ATD-R. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 06:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calabar Chic

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep From my search, subject seems notable and has significant coverage. She has featured in some films and has some level of notability in comedy. I made some improvements on the page as well. I hope it helps Mevoelo (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: I agree with moving the article about Calabar Chic to the List of Nigerian Actresses, which is a more general page. Due to a lack of coverage, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG guidelines. Redirecting will put her mentions in the right place. It will keep helpful content while following Wikipedia's guidelines. It also links the subject to a relevant, broader topic.--AstridMitch (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I also agree to keep the page because she meets WP:NACTOR guidelines, she has roles in notable films, television shows, stage performances, and other productions, some are listed on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahola .O (talk • contribs) 06:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not going to reply specifically to anyone in this discussion, but I have to now since I think you’re misinterpreting NACTOR. One thing is for the films they starred in to be notable, another thing is for their roles in the films to be significant. This is not the case here even in the tiniest bit. Her roles in these films was a significant role, she clearly doesn’t pass the guideline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aside from some interviews and passing mentions, there is not enough to fulfill WP:GNG. As she only had minor roles, WP:NACTOR is not fulfilled either. A redirect to List of Nigerian actors#Actresses as mentioned above is not feasible per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Non-notable subjects should not be included in lists of people. Hence my recommendation to Delete, perhaps just a case of WP:TOOSOON. Broc (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. A Google search of the subject shows several newspaper sources that interviewed her. These type of sources are primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. She has starred in multiple films that are notable, but as someone else pointed out, she did not have a major role in any of those films. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. She has the potential of being notable within a year or two. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: sourcing is fine, [14] as well. Most is celebrity coverage articles, but they give background and some context into tragic and not-so-tragic events in this person's life as of late. Oaktree b (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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